On 23 January 2013 20:41, Isaac (.ike) Levy <i...@blackskyresearch.net> wrote: > On Jan 23, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Emanuel Haupt wrote: >> Oliver Brandmueller <o...@e-gitt.net> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> in ancient times there was cvsup. cvsup was a PITA if you wanted (or >>> needed) to install it via ports, the only reasonable way was to use >>> pkg_add for that if you didn't want to pollute your system with >>> otherwise unneeded software. >>> >>> Then there came csup. Small, in the base. You could install FreeBSD >>> and the first task (for me and my environment) was often to simply >>> csup to -STABLE (or a known good version of that) and to build an >>> up-to-date and customised system. Like tayloring make.conf and >>> src.conf to my needs and leave out most of the stuff I don't need on >>> my system and in the kernel. Software and drivers that aren't there >>> can't fail and won't be a security problem. >>> >>> Times have been changing, we're now up to svn. svn is far more modern >>> than cvs and there are pretty good reasons to use it. >>> >>> However, I either overlook something important or we are now at the >>> point we had with cvsup in the early days: The software I need to >>> (source-)update the system doens't come with the base and installing >>> svn is a PITA. It pulls in a whole lot of dependencies, at the time >>> being in FBSD-9.1-R I cannot even pkg_add -r subversion out of the >>> box. And in the end I have my system polluted with software and >>> libraries I don't really need in many cases for anything else. >>> >>> So, is there some alternative small svn client, that leaves a >>> drastically smaller footprint probably somewhere around, probably >>> even in the ports or is there anything I'm missing? The current >>> situaion for me is a bit annoying. From the user's or admin's point >>> of view at least. I didn't even see an option in svn to not build the >>> server components, which would probably already help to make things >>> smaller? >>> >>> Thanx, >>> Oliver > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Peter Wemm wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy >> <i...@blackskyresearch.net> wrote: >> >>> 1) License. Many of SVN's dependencies will never be available in the >>> FreeBSD source. >>> While this is totally OK for development, SVN is 3rd party software, this >>> is unacceptable to force as 'the' respected path for OS source builds. >> >> Don't confuse the excessive ports default settings as dependencies. >> You can make a quite mean and lean svn client. I did a 100% >> BSD-license-compatible src/contrib/svn style proof-of-concept back >> when we were planning what to do. Things like gdbm and bdb are not >> required and are license contamination that we don't need. But that's >> the fault of the port, not a fundamental property of using svn. > > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Emanuel Haupt wrote: >> devel/subversion already has an option to build a static version. A >> solution could be to create a stub port (devel/subversion-static) >> similar to: >> >> shells/bash-devel >> shells/bash-static-devel >> >> dns/ldns >> dns/py-ldns >> >> That way the package build cluster would create a package of the static >> version which wouldn't pull in any runtime dependencies. >> >> Emanuel > > Peter, this work sounds great, and sounds like it would make a great stub > port itself! > I'd love to see whatever you have remaining from the proof-of-concept work, > to perhaps help expand it into 'devel/subversion-lite' or > 'devel/subversion-static' ? I'd happily use it for development. > > -- > However, SVN for development use is not what the point, this thread is about > using, administrating, and maintaining FreeBSD systems- not about development > process. And in that case, SVN is still a fairly massive toolset for the > simple task of fetching REL, STABLE, or CURRENT: > > Source for SVN-alone: 55M > Source for FreeBSD 9.1: 746M > > That's still over 7% of the size of the entire OS. > > I believe it's not at all necessary to have anything except the base FreeBSD > OS, to update/install FreeBSD. > > -- > A NYC*BUG list user posted this reminder, we've been here before: > >> Deja-vu… This reminds me of cvsup+modula-3. >> >> http://www.mavetju.org/mail/view_message.php?list=freebsd-current&id=209027 > > > I'll keep hacking on our shell utility, and will post the PR to this thread.
Your shell utility appears to fetch a new tarball of the entire repo each time? That's very bandwidth-unfriendly for the Project's servers as well as yours... Chris _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
