On 5/31/12 12:32 PM, Holger Kipp wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels" <lars.eng...@0x20.net>:
> 
>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it 
>>>> to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
>>>>
>>>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which 
>>>> advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd 
>>>> like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD.  If 
>>>> you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would 
>>>> you pick?  Are they the same as when you first started using it?
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls:
>>> - CARP
>>> - relayd
>>> - PF
>>> - pfsync
>>>
>>> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web,
>>> haproxy, db...):
>>> - "hard" to use
>>> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to
>>> debian's for example)
>>>
>>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot
>>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after
>>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports)
>>
>> But how often do you need to update?
> 
> That reminds me - there is still a 2.2.8 system up and running that needs to 
> be replaced ;-)
> 
> For a server farm, one can use a central server who provides all packages 
> that need to be upgraded, so it is usually only one system that needs a 
> longer time. All others just mount the directories and install/upgrade using 
> compiled world and /usr/ports/packages/All :-)
> 
> Nice and easy.
> 
> Best regards,
> Holger
> 
> 

Your idea has merit and we've already considered it.


However, these boxes are on different VLANs for security and confinement
reasons and I loathe putting them on a shared VLAN just for this purpose.

Besides, if the main server were to crash, we'd run into problems.
We don't wish to introduce a SPOF.

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