--On December 14, 2007 5:21:02 PM -0800 Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Information does indeed need to be gathered, and while even the ports list will only grab a small percentage of FreeBSD users, other options would likely grab a lot less. Plus, most of the users here are knowledgeable enough to give decent input. For those of you that don't like change may I suggest the book that led to http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/. It is really in all of our best interest to have the product evolve, the alternative is much worse.
This really is getting quite irritating. Not one person on this list has *ever* said they don't want to entertain new ideas for ports. Not one person on this list has said they don't like change. *All* of the complaints have been along the lines of "go write some code and stop filling up this list with posts". And that is *precisely* the point.
Yet the proponents of the Aryeh bandwagon keep throwing up this straw man that those of us who have tired of the useless back and forth are refusing to listen and uninterested in change, when *nothing* could be further from the truth. ports@ is *not* a development list. Its purpose is to provide news about ports, discuss problems with ports, get advice on porting and so forth. Or, to quote its charter, "Discussions concerning FreeBSD's “ports collection” (/usr/ports), ports infrastructure, and general ports coordination efforts. This is a technical mailing list for which strictly technical content is expected."
Get that? "Strictly technical". "How do you feel about the present design" or "what don't you like about the present design" or "if you could change something about ports, what would it be" are *not* appropriate discussions for this list.
It's time to move this "discussion" to some place where those that *care* about coding and/or redesigning the ports system can participate and discuss code and return this list to its original purpose. The only FreeBSD list that would be appropriate (if that - it's not really) would be arch, which is for architecture and design discussions. This thread is a design discussion and does not belong here. Please move it to a more appropriate place and leave this list alone. Ask the FreeBSD maintainers to create a new list "ports-design@" if you like, but please stop the discussions here. They are inappropriate for this list.
And stop lying about the motivations of the many talented people who have asked, politely and otherwise, to stop.
Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
