Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Remko Lodder wrote: >> David Southwell wrote: >>> On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: >>>> --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW >>>> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 >>>>> >>>>> "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with >>>>>> 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we >>>>>> already set it for abc. >>>>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >>>>> >>>>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes >>>>> lock-ups on "def" >>>> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you >>>> are responding to and respond to him. But let me state this >>>> emphatically in the hopes it will get through his thick skull. >>>> >>> I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish between >>> the advantages that could come arguing your case clearly and >>> collegially and the disadvantages that acrue from being >>> personally antagonistic towards someone with whose analysis you >>> happen to disagree. >>> >>> For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own >>> credibility and get to sound as though they believe their >>> opinions antitle them to be hateful and that their own views are >>> somehow godgiven. >>> >>> >>>> IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. >>> IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. >>>> \Please repeat that one hundred times until it gets through. >>>> >>> Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! >>>> No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. >>>> Suggestions, yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) >>>> Decisions, no. If you depend on another port *and* on certain >>>> knobs in that dependency being enabled, then *tell* the user >>>> that during your port's install and let them decide how to >>>> handle it. DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no matter how >>>> tempting it may be. >>> IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit >>> more!! You might also gain some respect if you followed your own >>> advice. Make suggestions for others to consider - do not decide, >>> in advance, they are thick skulled if they do not agree with >>> you!! >>>> It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who >>>> is installing ports already has on their boxes or what they >>>> might want to add or ***what you might break***. Once you >>>> begin making decisions for them, you could well stomp all over >>>> something that was functioning perfectly normally and break a >>>> critical box. >>>> >>>> DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. >>> IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to >>> anyones point of view. >>> >>> >> These threads have gone far enough, please consider taking this off >> the FreeBSD mailinglists and discuss this privately. The majority >> does not like the current ideas and want to see something usefull >> first. People like Aryeh and David are not really persons that one >> would see as the persons generating the ports-infrastructure-ng >> till they have code. > >> If you both keep pissing off people that have a fair share in the >> ports collection already, please do it by other means, dont crowd >> the mailinglists with it. Your ideas might be perfect in your world >> but they aint in ours (till you have shown working code). > >> So please stfu till you have some code and be done with it <DOT>. > > Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making > fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or 2 > threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* producing a > system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to gather as much > input as possible... why is it that everyone who sees the whole > concept as being negative has offered no input what so ever about what > should be done (even saying "the current system is fine" is useful to us) >
simply because we have seen it failing a lot of times. Please take this offlist,discuss this and generate a nice PoC, then get back to us, till that time, DONT bother the ports list with it or any other list. You are the single reason for a HIGH S/N ration on MOST lists I am subscribed to that is a REALLY -BAD- thing. You Simply dont understand the way it works here and I can understand that till a certain point of view; take the advise; discuss it elsewhere, and get back with working code (yeah I repeat it twice because nobody seems to get through to you, and MANY people tried it already). -- /"\ Best regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / Remko Lodder | [EMAIL PROTECTED] X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News _______________________________________________ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
