On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Mark Blackman <m...@exonetric.com> wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2012, at 21:09, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:12 AM, John Kozubik wrote:
>>> Again, I'm not suggesting more snapshots - I am suggesting more real, bona 
>>> fide releases.  This will help people.
>>
>> I tend to agree with you.  Our release engineering process isn't serving the 
>> needs of users as much as it once did.  When Walnut Creek was running 
>> release engineering, we had releases often because they wanted to make money 
>> from their subscriptions.  This produced reasonably spaced minor releases 
>> and except for 4-5, decently spaced major releases.  Even after the torch 
>> passed from walnut creek to others, there was still either residual 
>> pressures to make the releases happen, or inherited mindset that keep on the 
>> same pace.
>>
>> Today we have lost our way.  We have no major vendor pushing the process 
>> along to make it happen faster.
>
> What exactly did the major vendor to push things along? Keep nagging?
>
> I'd have thought PC-BSD and iXsystems are the natural people to to take over 
> that role in any
> case.   The FreeBSD foundation seems  less interested in the "for end-users" 
> angle as well.

We'd be happy to sponsor a full-time employee at the Mall to handle
rolling -STABLE into release a few more times per year. We might need
a bit of help maintaining a long term release but we think it's a
pretty good idea all the way around.

Cheers,
-matt
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