On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:43:58PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:24:58AM -0800, Eivind Eklund wrote:
> [...]
> > > Okay, here's my question: what is/was so bad about pppd + natd?
> > 
> > Generating >10% of the total support load for FreeBSD on IRC is so bad
> > about it.  And I can't give you a better answer than that, because I
> > haven't supported it in 3.5 years and do not remember what problems
> > people were having - and if it had been a single problem or two (as
> > you imply with your questions), I'd have SOLVED THOSE PROBLEMS rather
> > than going for the blanket.
> > 
> So you can't recall a single specific problem, other than saying they
> were.

There were no problems *per se* - there is nothing that inherently doesn't
work with the configuration.  I could say some people had problems
configuring divert sockets.  I could say some people had problems getting
ipfw to work at all.  I could say some people had problems with not
having supplied -dynamic to natd.  I could say some people didn't discover
the -n option to natd.  I could say some people had problems writing the
script for pppd.  I could say some people had problems with their kernel
not containing the ppp device.  And I could wring my brain to find more
examples.  However, I didn't see this as much of a point, because it does
NOT add to the overall point: There was a bunch of small problems that in
total resulted in the this configuration leading to a bunch of support.

> Okay, then how about querying our current FreeBSD users about
> it?  It's that simple:
> 
> Dear users of pppd(8) + natd(8), if there are any.  Do you have/had
> any problems using this combination?  I'd appreciate both successful
> and unfortunate reports, to improve documentation.

I don't believe you'll get any relevant responses to that.

Besides, I'm not interested.  I know the problem is there, as I've seen
it.  You don't believe me when I tell you that it is there - that's your
choice.  This is not an issue I care enough about to spent more energy on.

And I'm not active enough that I feel I have any right to any form of veto.

Eivind.

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