On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Joe Greco wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> Please go back and read what I _wrote_. Your response assumes I made
I've got your message, I quoted it fully in my first response. You asked
to "Remove Sendmail from the base system", and that's a direct quote, Joe.
> statements that I certainly did not, and suggests to me that you missed
> every third word in my previous messages. :-( In particular, I advocated
> including Sendmail in the base system in a manner that would allow it to
> be trivially removed (or, alternatively, not including it but making it
> a selectable package, like X11).
No, you said remove it, or at least make it removeable. I responded that
you can't just remove it. Go to your sent mail message folder, I'm not
making this up. I said don't remove it (not "don't make it removeable").
You're the one who's sticking new words in.
> This could, for example, be done in the very same way that we currently
> do loads of other crap, like /usr/games, proflibs, etc. More ideally, it
> would be done in a format compatible with the package management system,
> so that one could simply "pkg_delete" Sendmail and install a new one.
>
> Am I getting through now? :-)
You asked in your mail to remove it, I said you can't leave ordinary users
without a good default. Your context in what you said was that it was a
minor pain to have to remove the default mailer. I stand by what I said.
You changed your message, and if you want, I can send your message back to
you.
If you argue *only* that some easier method be arranged so that mailers
can be swapped out, that I fully approve of. I never said otherwise, and
I don't like much the way you changed things.
In fact, what the heck, here's your original message, cut out of my reply
(where I quoted all of your part of the exchange):
> Perhaps it's time to revisit something I proposed several years ago.
>
> Remove Sendmail from the base system - or, at least, make it a "package"
> that is removable with the package management tool. Then be able to add
> another mailer (or an updated Sendmail) in its place. Ideally, Sendmail
> would be available as a package for installation as part of the base
> system, just like games or info or proflibs.
>
> I would love to see this happen with other components of the system as
> well, such as BIND.
>
> While it is fantastic that FreeBSD comes out of the box so fully
> functional, it does make it a bit of a pain for those of us who intend
> to build servers - we have to disable the original before installing a
> new package. :-/
>
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Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD,
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New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up
fictitious words in the dictionary.
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