On 11/9/2012 4:16 PM, Brett wrote:
Message: 11
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 23:34:58 +0800
From: Doug Brewer <brewer.d...@gmail.com>
To: Adrian Chadd <adr...@freebsd.org>
Cc: a...@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Tinderbox <tinder...@freebsd.org>,
        curr...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm
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No offence, but how many times did you break the build? Could you please
compile your code before committing next time? Thanks a lot!


Just an observation: a few years ago when I got sick of Linux's "headlong rush" 
development model, I subscribed to various BSD mailing lists to see what else was out there. I 
considered FreeBSD at the time - there was a neverending avalanche of "[head tinderbox] 
failure" messages. This told me that I would be more likely to be running code written by 
people who knew what they were doing if I went with Open, Net, or DragonflyBSD.

I safely run OpenBSD-current on my main computer and it always works (I think I 
have had 2-3 build problems in about 3 years, and they were all my fault). At 
the moment, I only feel confident enough with FreeBSD-current to run it on my 
unimportant torrent computer. This is 80% due to constant build failures, and 
20% due to invasive changes being introduced with documentation/instructions 
scattered over many different pages and mailing lists, e.g:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=xorg&titlesearch=Titles

http://wiki.freebsd.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=pkgng&titlesearch=Titles

Hypothetical user: "Is it WITHOUT_PKGNG= or WITHOUT_PKGNG=yes or WITH_PKGNG=no 
today?"

I wonder how many other people that you never hear from feel the same, and if some sort 
of "x weeks commit freezeout" should apply to the build breakers. Cute pointy 
hats or whatever obviously have no effect.

Rant over!
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Quite honestly, the head/current branch is going to have build failures.. It's the test bed.. Stick with the release system unless you want cutting edge.. just remember.. cutting edge cuts sometimes...


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