On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Tom Morris <t...@tommorris.org> wrote: > On Thursday, November 3, 2011, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Backlogs as a concern translate directly to "newbies are inherently a > problem." >> >> > > I'd disagree. Newbie treatment is important, but having quarter of a > million articles without a single reference is also important given WP:V. > I think there are ridiculous extremes on both sides. I agree that on an esoteric subject, which genuinely isn't covered by the mainstream publishers to a relevant degree, no references is a problem. A problem that can be overcome by digging into esoteric libraries and people who study esoteric stuff. Like Newton's Occult studies, which are just today getting the proper attention from mainstream historians. In the middle ground there are egregious cases like [[Aharon Kotler]] being nominated for deletion because there were no references on the article itself, but trivial googling would reveal him to be the most relevant proselytizer of Judaism in the history of the USA. It was snowball kept, but following WP:V slavishly it would have to have been deleted. And then there are the real hard tough cases, where the pedal really hits the metal. Like the founder of the furries movement. Wikipedia has loads and loads of articles on furry subjects, but not on the guy who started it all. Because he is a modest guy, and worked in an alternative medium, close to zero third party references might be found. His article survived one deletion debate, but was deleted completely out of process summarily in contravention of WP:BLP (there were nlo disparaging statements in the article so at least it should have been subjected to another *sigh* deletion debate, rather than being deleted summarily outright). Tonyt Sideaway can back me up on this, if he is still reading this list, but the creator of Albedo Anthropomorphics is a genuinely notable figure in the furry movement; if not its father or atleast god-father. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
