Obviously, the ones who do better at it are the ones we cannot detect. My experience is that some in-house PR people do a very poor and easily detectable job. An expert specialist who knows what is actually wanted will do far better than a PR generalist who approaches it like any other PR. I have, however, seen some PR people from institutions learn the merits of entering a purely factual description and of doing only articles on the notable people there, not the borderline ones.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Ryan Kaldari <[email protected]> wrote: > Since the can of worms has been opened... > > In my opinion, which ironically is probably similar to Greg Kohs', > having any stance on paid editing of Wikipedia is pointless. Most large > companies and organizations are already paying people to edit Wikipedia > (albeit quietly). The ones we know about and complain about are the > companies that are too small to do it in-house and try to outsource it. > Any policy we enact is going to be ignored by the people doing it > quietly and will only affect the people doing it publicly (like Kohs). > The only way we can be effective in this regard is to strengthen our > COI, NPOV, OR, and V policies to minimize misuse of Wikipedia (paid or not). > > That said, I still believe that Kohs has gone far beyond being a useful > critic. Yes, he has points that are worth discussion, but that doesn't > mean we have to overlook his disruptive behavior. He clearly has an axe > to grind and intends to grind it. We don't have to facilitate that. > > Ryan Kaldari > > On 10/22/10 2:04 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Yes, but he is relentless when not prodded. Unless we chose to open up >> Wikipedia to paid editing of the sort he does he will probably continue >> to be relentless. >> >> When I was checking out thekohser on freelancer.com I found a couple of >> other Wikipedia editors who were bidding on contracts to edit Wikipedia >> for money. >> >> One, who had completed two contracts and had accepted a third, seems to >> have given up. The other seems to be an excellent editor, but at this >> point I have not identified a particular contract of theirs. >> >> The question remains: what do we expect of someone who edits Wikipedia, >> or any other foundation project, for money. And frankly, why would we >> make trouble for someone living in Bangladesh that is earning what is a >> month's salary there, $30, in return for adding an article about some >> marginally notable business to Wikipedia? >> >> Our policies remain somewhat unclear, see: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid_editing >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid_editing_%28policy%29 >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid_editing_%28guideline%29 >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid_editing_%28guideline%29/Noticeboard >> >> And the Reward Board: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reward_board#Money >> >> These examples are from the English Wikipedia, but potentially apply to >> any foundation project. >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
