Hi Eugene, thanks for the explanation, I think the whole banning was quite justified. But besides that, as I also asked in an earlier email, I can understand geniice's feeling that it is unclear what the topics are (which can be solved by an agenda as he suggests or a description of what tend to be the topics nowadays as I asked). Could you perhaps make it more insightful?
Thanks, Lodewijk 2010/6/2 Eugene Eric Kim <ee...@blueoxen.com> > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:16 PM, geni <geni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Or not. > > > > Okey so it happened that the thing was taking place at a time > > reasonable for my timezone. So I check > > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/IRC_Agendas > > > > So there hasn't been an agenda in months. Fair enough agendas can be a > > pain. Hey how hard can it be to wing it? > > You're confusing the agendas of a Task Force to the office hours of > the strategy process as a whole. As stated at: > > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Office_Hours > > the goals of these office hours are to answer questions and engage in > discussion. These are not formal meetings, but a designated period > where Philippe and I make ourselves available to interact with people > in real-time. We keep the agenda open, but at the same time, we also > do our best to keep the discussion relevant. And, as with the strategy > process as a whole, we've worked hard to maintain an environment of > constructive, positive discourse. > > > Personally I think it's a bad idea to sacrifice screen real estate on > > order to solve the odd TR:DR problem. So I make this clear. I'm told > > that this is related to having a deadline. I start to make the case > > that perhaps things are getting a little too meta. I also make the > > case that a tool that is based around removing context and nuance form > > posts is a bad idea. I start to make the case that if there is a > > deadline to meet it is better to work out how to do it using > > technology we already know well (remember no one was considering > > adding reflect to say en.pedia) rather than trying to introduce new > > technology and hope it will allow us to do things faster to the extent > > it makes up for the time lost deploying it and learning how to use it. > > But at that point I was kinda banned. > > The decision to kick geniice off the channel was mine. You can read > the log to see how the discussion evolved and my explanation for why I > made this decision: > > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/2010-06-01 > > I don't think foundation-l is the appropriate place to discuss these > specific grievances, and I'm happy to continue this discussion on > strategy wiki's Village Pump. That said, I think we have a strong > record for openness and tolerance of all views, as long as the > discussion has remained polite and constructive, and I'm happy to > address any general questions about this here. > > =Eugene > > -- > ====================================================================== > Eugene Eric Kim ................................ http://xri.net/=eekim > Blue Oxen Associates ........................ http://www.blueoxen.com/ > ====================================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
