> Yes. You are right about that. So, may we (insiders) promise not to
> have such discourse? :)

It's a problem with mailing versus face to face meeting: it's
impossible to see whether you crossed your heart or crossed you
fingers while writing that :-P

[Disclaimer: It's just Friday evening joke, sorry if somebody minds/objects]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Birgitte SB <birgitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> As someone who does not think heavy-moderation is a good answer to the 
>> problem, I think you are missing the point.
>>
>> These bold/imprudent sort of people have useful contributions in sharing 
>> their positions.  It is the way they ridicule others who have different 
>> positions that is the problem.  BTW this is not limited only to those 
>> generally critical of WMF, there are supporters of WMF that have the same 
>> problem.  The end result of this behavior is that there less participation 
>> from people not comfortable with the ridicule.  And the people who are less 
>> likely to participate because of this is not equally spread across cultures. 
>>  So it hurts our outreach and it hurts our general purpose because we end up 
>> hearing thoughts from a much less diverse group than we might.
>>
>> Two examples of the tone I find to be such a problem
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-August/054235.html
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-August/054159.html
>>
>> I honestly believe that as long as this sort of tone continues to be a 
>> regular feature here; the overwhelming majority of participants here will be 
>> Western men.
>
> Yes. You are right about that. So, may we (insiders) promise not to
> have such discourse? :)
>
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