Hoi,
I think the discussion is about making foundation-l more inclusive. We know
that there is a large group of people who will not contribute to
foundation-l because they find the tone damaging. When this is reduced to
"being able to use the delete button" you forget that the damage is already
done. when the mail is read.
Even members of the WMF staff fear to use the foundation-l, we have people
who argue that their skills of English are not sufficient to contribute to
our list. We find that much information is now hidden away in internal
mailing lists because "they are more friendly". We find no understanding
when people in other countries DO want to come together in meat space to
talk and work on creating a new chapter. We find people who only spout
negativity and state that they no longer contribute to our projects setting
the tone.
Really, there are valid reasons why we need a channel for information. As it
is, much of what is posted on the foundation list does no longer have tone
or a positive effect. Much of the news that used to go to this list now ends
up on blogs or internal lists and as a consequence we become more insular
and less of a community.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com>
> Fully agreed with Ray: If someone doesn't know how to use delete
> button, then such person is not quite competent to use mailing lists.
> It reminds me on criticism toward wikis: Ah, someone may change my
> edits! I don't want to use that system anymore!
>
> On 2009-09-11, phoebe ayers <phoebe.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This is effectively the only cross-project list at the moment. And it
> >> is the canonical place to raise certain important issues and
> >> announcements.
> >>
> >> It has become popular to disparage this list as a poor place to have
> >> serious discussions about the foundation -- and to do the disparaging
> >> in private, where it can't possible lead to consensus to change this.
> >> Let's please stop doing that, and instead fix the list and its norms,
> >> or devise replacements and alternatives, so that we can all agree on
> >> where to have open, welcoming discussions -- that are comfortable for
> >> almost everyone, including non-native English speakers; that draw
> >> input from the core audience (people who care about Foundation
> >> issues).
> >>
> >> Please don't view this as a problem that someone else must identify
> >> and cope with. If you are reading this list, you can help fix it.
> >
> > A reminder that there's ongoing discussion on meta about what to do.
> > Please add to it!
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l
> >
> > -- phoebe
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