Re : This having been discussed, and my opinions being vigorously shot down - well yes, both you and Mike are largely correct - which to my mind is actually cause for concern for the sensibly minded - it's also my opinion that there's many such folk out there - many of whom choose not to get involved in discussions like this because of their unsavory nature (/me waves at various correspondents ;-)
I believe that this is an example of principle overriding pragmatism in a way that has great potential to cause the project harm - both in reputation and utility. If you're reading this and are a bit confuddled about the parameters of discussion in this area - here are some handy bullet points; - Commons currently hosts many pictures, taken in a public place, without the apparent permission of the subject, of various folk in various states of undress (think topless women at the beach as the best example) - I think this is inappropriate and disrespectful, though undoubtedly legal. - Commons hosts pictures (such as the one linked to upthread) which seem highly unlikely to me to be genuinely released under a free licence, with the much more likely explanation that a n'eer do well has cheekily stolen a pic from some website - I believe good faith is often exploited in this regard. - Finally - commons, and various other wikimedia projects contain an ever growing number of sexually explicit images (people having sex with each other, and their friends, in various ways) - it's the clear consensus of this thread (in my view) that this is desirable, supported by the community, and in fact not really worth talking about at all. I have seen no substantial discussion of ways to ameliorate any issues this position may bring up (Record keeping requirements, children's access to images etc.) thas' all :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:37 AM, David Moran <fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com>wrote: > This one's been discussed ad nauseam already, and I think the community's > discussions pretty unambiguously tend towards keep. > > FMF > > > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Andre Engels <andreeng...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > My opinion on this is clear: Commons should welcome both photographs > > and pictures. Whether a project shows a picture or a photograph should > > be the project's decision, not that of Commons. Some may prefer one, > > others the other. Sexuality is in scope on Wikimedia projects, so its > > images are in scope at Commons. > > > > Andre > > > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:03 AM, private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > g'day all, > > > > > > There's an interesting deletion discussion taking place here; > > > > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Sexuality_pearl_necklace_small.png > > > > > > concerning an image of a woman with sperm on her neck. To my mind it's > > very > > > doubtful that this is in fact a freely licensed image, but regardless > of > > my > > > cynicism, the IP who nominated the image for deletion (the 5th time > it's > > > been nominated, and the 4th time was by me, in December) raised the > > > possibility that we (both commons, wikipedia, and perhaps by extension > > all > > > wmf projects) might be better to opt for drawings rather than > photographs > > of > > > sexual activity? > > > > > > I'm sure many are familiar with my view that the foundation is an > acutely > > > irresponsible host in this area (I'm not a fan, for example, of the > > pictures > > > taken of topless women on beaches without their permission which > commons > > > currently hosts) - but wonder what the feeling is out there in regard > to > > > freely licensed images of people having sex - we've currently got quite > a > > > few on commons, and it's likely to be a growth area. There's a dirty > pun > > in > > > there somewhere, but I can't be bothered to make it...... > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Peter > > > PM. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Commons-l mailing list > > > common...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
