Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will create a ticket a ticket with all of my remarks this evening. Also I had problems with checking out the source code (flex builder says it was missing common.swc etc), so maybe I'll create a ticket for this as well, if it can be declared as a "bug".
Hans On 22 Oct 2012, at 15:18, Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote: > Hans, > > Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks > (below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0, > and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot. > > Thanks, > > EdB > > > >> Here is what I found for the functionality: >> - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex". Can't >> we just change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it >> default in a "Apache Flex" folder (since I think this is only a until, and >> not really a very important standalone application). >> - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link to >> the disclaimer. So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should be >> a LinkButton instead of a Button, right? >> - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application, but >> rather be a NativeMenuItem. >> - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them >> separately? (I think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just >> mention it in case it wasn't). >> >> Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the buttons >> don't always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the "Install" >> button says "Install…" because the button's label isn't rescaling). >> If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it. >> >> I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much. >> >> H. >> >> Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com >> Mail: h...@dotdotcommadot.com >> Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69 >> >> On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Well >>> >>> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM >>> >>> >>> Stefan Horochovec >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> What AIR version you are running? >>>> >>>> >>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> >>>> >>>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these >>>>> points: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more >>>>>> involvement? >>>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they >>>>> review >>>>>> the dev-list and see this issue? >>>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away >>>>> with a >>>>>> follow-up point release >>>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to >>>>> reproduce it. >>>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache >>>>> Flex >>>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now. >>>>>> >>>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot. Sometimes, important bugs get found late >>>>> in the >>>>>> game. Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC >>>>> votes >>>>>> on an RC8. However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and >>>>> I >>>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it >>>>>> isn't handling strings properly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everybody, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last >>>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the >>>>>>> Installer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same >>>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to >>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the >>>>>>> users." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being >>>>> awaited >>>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache >>>>> Flex >>>>>>> SDK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Erik and Om >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations >>>>> of >>>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the >>>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to >>>>> make it >>>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you >>>>> add a >>>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each >>>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herre...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release >>>>> often and >>>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 (binding) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a >>>>> release >>>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything if we >>>>>>>> wait >>>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security >>>>>>>>> implications. We cannot delay the release any longer especially >>>>> after so >>>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. We >>>>> will be >>>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon. Also, we are shipping with an auto >>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases for >>>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" < >>>>>>>>> christophe.herre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's >>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get >>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues >>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for >>>>>>>>> (perhaps >>>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> kind regards, >>>>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.develo...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -omar >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's why >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress >>>>> this >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the source >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind of >>>>>>>>> 'vote >>>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another RC, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will not >>>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a >>>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US, >>>>>>>> however, >>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> en_US. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US, >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese): >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may come >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> affect >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but >>>>>>>> when I >>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the >>>>>>>> translations, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted, >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>> option >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected >>>>>>>>>>> language. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ex: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch >>>>>>>> (which >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default >>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, so >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not >>>>>>>>>>> translated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is >>>>>>>>>> launched >>>>>>>>>>>>> on an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same is >>>>>>>>>>> detected >>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into >>>>>>>>>> English. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here. >>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton < >>>>>>>>>>> cfram...@adobe.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira >>>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnología >>>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>>>>>>>>>> F: +34 912 35 57 77 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman >>>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >>>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman >>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Alex Harui >>>>> Flex SDK Team >>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc. >>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > > > > -- > Ix Multimedia Software > > Jan Luykenstraat 27 > 3521 VB Utrecht > > T. 06-51952295 > I. www.ixsoftware.nl
