Not getting this air is very much cross platform , running on desktops , android , ios, it seems win surface rtf On Oct 5, 2012 12:21 PM, "FORMER 03 | Robert Brendler" < robert.brend...@former03.de> wrote:
> I'd also like to drop some comment on this ... > > I don't know how it is with you guys, but most of the projects I am > getting nowadays are required to be cross platform ... or better said ... > "can you make it run on my iPad? do I really need another app for it, I > already got like 3 million of them" ... Although I really enjoy working > with Flex, I usually switch to html-js-css when it comes to the > cross-platform or code-once topic, which is a step back in terms of comfort > and speed for my development, but that is what the client wants and pays > for. You should not blame Adobe for not continuing flex and catalyst but > rather Mr. Jobs for declaring war on flash, and lets be honest thats a fact > that we are facing a couple of years already, get over it. As a replacement > I found jquery-ui to be not that bad. It gives you the "small subset" of > flex and is available now, even with some ui effects. > > On the other hand if there is a project that depends on the strengths of > flash (effects, rendering, ...) or if I am in an enterprise project that > only runs in an enclosed environment, where there is a company that can > dictate their employees which tool to use, I go back to flex. But in these > cases there is no need for a conversion to js, it probably wouldn't bring > an advantage cause it won't run as fast or make any difference other than > the used technology, correct me if I'm wrong. And in case they still want > something to play for their ipads I do a little html web interface that > talks to the same services, those kind of clients usually can afford it. > > The only thing I could imagine that really needs both performant rendering > and cross-platform compatibility are games ... but if you wanna walk down > that path you are better off with C/C++ anyway. > > Cheers, > Rob > > On 05.10.2012 16:27, Alex Harui wrote: > >> FalconJS is not under development. A prototype was built several months >> ago, but no serious work has been done on it since. I should be able to >> start on its legal review next week. >> >> >> On 10/5/12 7:06 AM, "filippo dipisa" <fili...@dipisa.net> wrote: >> >> FOr what I understand falco js is still under development and there is >>> just >>> one resource on it so don't hope on it. >>> Please correct me if I am wrong. >>> Here there is a good solution if you want to use as to create js apps >>> >>> http://www.jangaroo.net/home/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5 October 2012 14:53, sébastien Paturel <sebpatu.f...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Following the HTML5 targetting discussion >>>> is there any news about the FalconJS donation, as we now have Falcon >>>> donated, it shoudl be next? >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 05/10/2012 15:46, Charles Monteiro a écrit : >>>> >>>> I'm wondering if most in this group are more interested about targeting >>>>> html5 than air because it seems to me it would be hard to do both well. >>>>> >>>>> I want to run on AIR. >>>>> On Oct 5, 2012 9:38 AM, "sébastien Paturel" <sebpatu.f...@gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree with others that you should abandone the idea that Adobe >>>>> could >>>>> >>>>>> get >>>>>> Catalyst back from the dead. >>>>>> They have been pretty clear about it, and the open sourcing is not an >>>>>> option because of code dependencies. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your only chance to see catalyst come back from Adobe, is to make >>>>>> Apache >>>>>> Flex te best framework for HTML5 runtime! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 04/10/2012 00:48, Sebastian Mohr a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>> @christofer dutz ... thanks for sharing your thoughts. +1 from my >>>>>> side! >>>>>> >>>>>>> Flash Catalyst CS5.5 is a charm for interaction designers like me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely Yours, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sebastian Mohr >>>>>>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC), >>>>>>> Interaction Designer & Musician >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/******masuland<http://www.linkedin.com/in/****masuland> >>>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.**com/in/**masul<http://www.linkedin.com/in/**masul> >>>>>>> and> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.**com/in/**masuland<http://www.linkedin.** >> com/in/masuland <http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:21 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well isn't it usually that way around? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I create some general UI scetches using some tools like blamiq >>>>>>>> mockups >>>>>>>> and deal with negoitating the functionallity with my customers. As >>>>>>>> soon as >>>>>>>> the component works as desired I go "pimp my app" and give it to a >>>>>>>> designer >>>>>>>> to have it pimped. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Using Catalyst this was really easy (As soon as you had a desiger at >>>>>>>> hand that was used to it and it's concepts). I was even able to let >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> designer skin a running application deployed by me somewhere on the >>>>>>>> web, so >>>>>>>> I didn't have give away the code of the application itself or setup >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> environment at the designers office. This workflow was the major >>>>>>>> breakthrough for me and was one of the major things that made me >>>>>>>> shift >>>>>>>> allmost entirely to the Flex road. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's a real pitty to have it dropped and wasted :-( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>>>>> Von: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] >>>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2012 18:18 >>>>>>>> An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: AW: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Design >>>>>>>> View >>>>>>>> AIR App) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/3/12 7:38 AM, "christofer.d...@c-ware.de" < >>>>>>>> christofer.d...@c-ware.de> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh ... let me thow in a little more weight for the Catalyst ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I invested quite some time in setting up a project structure that >>>>>>>>> allowed me to concentrate on developing (Using an ugly but >>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>> developer Skin) and having professional Designers use Catalyst to >>>>>>>>> Skin >>>>>>>>> the application. >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately it seemed that the designers available on the market >>>>>>>>> were all even less "finished" than the Catalyst project, but as >>>>>>>>> soon >>>>>>>>> as the designers got the hang of it, the results were pretty >>>>>>>>> sattisfying and I had what I was allways dreaming about: Being >>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>> concentrate on the functionality and have a designer do all the >>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>> that sells the application (cool buttons, even greater effects and >>>>>>>>> animated transitions, ...) :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be really happy if Adobe didn't entirely drop this tool, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> if they did, If they would somehow open-source it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is essentially "dropped". See [1]. There are no plans to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> opensource >>>>>>>> it. It too had a lot of "baggage" that made it difficult to >>>>>>>> implement. >>>>>>>> For example, it really wasn't extensible as to what components it >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> handle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The principle behind it (that you can take designer art and break it >>>>>>>> down into components) is compelling, but I question whether it >>>>>>>> remains >>>>>>>> valid in a world of dynamic UI. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is also interesting to note that you used it in completely >>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>> way than it was intended. It was for a design-first-then-develop >>>>>>>> workflow >>>>>>>> and you did it the other way (which is what I do when I have a >>>>>>>> choice >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/******flex/whitepapers/roadmap.**html<http://www.adobe.com/devnet/****flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html> >>>>>>>> <http://www. >>>>>>>> adobe.com/devnet/**flex/**whitepapers/roadmap.html<http://adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <**http://www.adobe.com/**devnet/**flex/whitepapers/**roadmap.html<http://www.adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html> >>>>>>>> <http://www >>>>>>>> .adobe.com/devnet/flex/**whitepapers/roadmap.html<http://adobe.com/devnet/flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Alex Harui >>>>>>>> Flex SDK Team >>>>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc. >>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > > -- > _____ FORMER 03 GmbH > _____ infanteriestraße 19 haus 6 > _____ 80797 muenchen > > _____ robert.brend...@former03.de > _____ www.former03.de > > _____ fon 089.322112.28 > _____ fax 089.322112.11 > > _____ geschäftsführer > _____ sebastian fiedler > _____ gert zellentin > > _____ handelsregister > _____ HRB München 148468 > > _____ steuer > _____ ust.-id DE 229107876 >
