On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 at 16:25, Angel Pons <th3fan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe it's not intentional, but your email sounds rather unpleasant
> and very confusing. What would you like to achieve?

I have no agenda, I'm just sick of seeing all the behaviour on this
list. There's a certain toxicity.

> Also, out of curiosity, did you see
> https://mail.coreboot.org/hyperkitty/list/flashrom@flashrom.org/message/65BNRWRTKLTMS7EDOGCN2NJYIFX5QXBV/
> before writing your reply?

Yes, I saw that.

> Let's make sure we're on the same page, as misunderstandings have
> already costed the flashrom project way too much time and effort.
> Could you please explain what "at scale" means for you?

More than 10,000 users.

> Um, this is not true. There are people out there using flashrom on DOS

I'm sure there *are* people using flashrom on DOS but I'm not sure
it's something you should optimize a project for.

> Also... Doesn't fwupd use flashrom?

Yes, but in the same way as Google; i.e. we only allow-list specific
hardware (that we test) that uses the internal programmer for a subset
of SPI chips. All the other fwupd functionality is native as the
impedance mismatch between fwupd and libflashrom is striking. We did
play with using other programmers but it didn't work very well.

> > Normal people don't use flashrom in
> > production in any appreciable number.
> Hmmm, this seems to be another potential source of misunderstandings.
> What do you mean with "in production"?

Not on a test system, i.e. one with paying customers. StarLabs
probably wins here, but they're one of the systems we do end-to-end
testing with.

> Who do you think is responsible for flashrom, then? Whose
> responsibility is flashrom?

Well it's not mine: I'm seeing hostility, ego and stop energy -- and
that's not a place I really want to be.

Richard.
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