Em sex., 9 de abr. de 2021 às 01:13, Guo, Yejun <yejun....@intel.com> escreveu:
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org> On Behalf Of Lynne
> > Sent: 2021年4月9日 0:57
> > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH V7 4/6] lavu: add side data
> > AV_FRAME_DATA_BOUNDING_BOXES
> >
>
> First of all, thanks for the quick replies, I see, all the
> discussions/comments are to
> make this patch better, thank you.
>
> > >> >
> > >> >> >> > +
> > >> >> >> > +typedef struct AVBoundingBoxHeader {
> > >> >> >> > + /**
> > >> >> >> > + * Information about how the bounding box is generated.
> > >> >> >> > + * for example, the DNN model name.
> > >> >> >> > + */
> > >> >> >> > + char source[128];
> > >> >> >> > +
> > >> >> >> > + /**
> > >> >> >> > + * The size of frame when it is detected.
> > >> >> >> > + */
> > >> >> >> > + int frame_width;
> > >> >> >> > + int frame_height;
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Why? This side data is attached to AVFrames only, where we
> > >> >> >> already have width and height.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The detection result will be used by other filters, for example,
> > >> >> > dnn_classify (see https://github.com/guoyejun/ffmpeg/tree/classify).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The filter dnn_detect detects all the objects (cat, dog, person
> > >> >> > ...) in a
> > >> >> > frame, while dnn_classify classifies one detected object (for
> > >> >> > example,
> > >> person)
> > >> >> > for its attribute (for example, emotion, etc.)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The filter dnn_classify have to check if the frame size is changed
> > >> >> > after
> > >> >> > it is detected, to handle the below filter chain:
> > >> >> > dnn_detect -> scale -> dnn_classify
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This doesn't look good. Why is dnn_classify needing to know
> > >> >> the original frame size at all?
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > For example, the original size of the frame is 100*100, and dnn_detect
> > >> > detects a face at place (10, 10) -> (30, 40), such data will be saved
> > >> > in
> > >> > AVBoundingBox.top/left/right/bottom.
> > >> >
> > >> > Then, the frame is scaled into 50*50.
> > >> >
> > >> > Then, dnn_classify is used to analyze the emotion of the face, it
> > >> > needs to
> > >> > know the frame size (100*100) when it is detected, otherwise, it does
> > >> > not
> > >> > work with just (10,10), (30,40) and 50*50.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Why can't the scale filter also rescale this side data as well?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm afraid that we could not make sure all such filters (including
> > > filters in the
> > > future) to do the rescale. And in the previous discussion, I got to know
> > > that
> > > 'many other existing side-data types are invalidated by scaling'.
> > >
> > > So, we need frame_width and frame_height here.
> > >
> >
> > No, you don't. You just need to make sure filters which change resolution
> > or do cropping also change the side data parameters.
> > It's called maintainership. As-is, this won't even work with cropping,
> > only with basic aspect ratio preserving scaling.
> > For the lack of a better term, this is a hack.
>
> As discussed in previous email, for the frame size change case, dnn_classify
> (and other filters which use the detection result, for example drawbox) can
> just output a warning message to tell user what happens, and don't do the
> classification, otherwise, it will give a wrong/weird result which makes the
> user confused.
>
> >
> > I would accept just specifying that if the frame dimensions are
> > altered in any way, the side-data is no longer valid and it's up
> > to users to figure that out by out of bound coordinates.
> > This is what we currently do with video_enc_params.
>
> frame_width/frame_height is not perfect (for the cases such as: scale down
> + crop + scale up to the same size), but it provides more info than the
> checking
> of 'out of bound coordinates'. There are many other possible issues when the
> coordinates are within the frame.
>
> If we think we'd better not let user get more info from the warning message,
> I'm ok to remove them.
>
> I'll remove them if there's another comment supporting the removal, and
> there's no objection.
>
> >
> >
> > >> >> >> > diff --git a/libavutil/frame.h b/libavutil/frame.h
> > >> >> >> > index a5ed91b20a..41e22de02a 100644
> > >> >> >> > --- a/libavutil/frame.h
> > >> >> >> > +++ b/libavutil/frame.h
> > >> >> >> > @@ -198,6 +198,13 @@ enum AVFrameSideDataType {
> > >> >> >> > * Must be present for every frame which should have film grain
> > >> applied.
> > >> >> >> > */
> > >> >> >> > AV_FRAME_DATA_FILM_GRAIN_PARAMS,
> > >> >> >> > +
> > >> >> >> > + /**
> > >> >> >> > + * Bounding boxes for object detection and classification,
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> data is
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> >> AVBoundingBoxHeader
> > >> >> >> > + * followed with an array of AVBoudingBox, and
> > >> >> >> AVBoundingBoxHeader.nb_bboxes is the number
> > >> >> >> > + * of array element.
> > >> >> >> > + */
> > >> >> >> > + AV_FRAME_DATA_BOUNDING_BOXES,
> > >> >> >> > };
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Finally, why call it a Bounding Box? It's not descriptive at all.
> > >> >> >> How about "Object Classification"? It makes much more sense, it's
> > >> >> >> exactly what this is. So AVObjectClassification,
> > >> >> >> AVObjectClassification,
> > >> >> >> AV_FRAME_DATA_OBJECT_CLASSIFICATION and so on.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > In object detection papers, bounding box is usually used.
> > >> >> > We'd better use the same term, imho, thanks.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Not in this case, API users won't have any idea what this is or what
> > >> >> it's for. This is user-facing code after all.
> > >> >> Papers in fields can get away with overloading language, but we're
> > >> >> trying to make a concise API. Object classification makes sense
> > >> >> because this is exactly what this is.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > The term bounding box is dominating the domain, for example, even
> > >> > HEVC spec uses this term, see page 317 of
> > >> >
> > >>
> > https://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=e&id=T-REC-H.265-201911-I!!P
> > >> DF-E&type=items
> > >> >
> > >> > also copy some here for your convenient.
> > >> > ar_bounding_box_top[ ar_object_idx[ i ] ] u(16)
> > >> > ar_bounding_box_left[ ar_object_idx[ i ] ] u(16)
> > >> > ar_bounding_box_width[ ar_object_idx[ i ] ] u(16)
> > >> > ar_bounding_box_height[ ar_object_idx[ i ] ] u(16)
> > >> >
> > >> > I would prefer to use bounding box.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> It's for an entirely different thing, and like I said, it's just an
> > >> overloaded
> > >> language because they can get away. We're trying to be generic.
> > >> This side data is for detecting _and_ classifying objects. In fact, most
> > >> of
> > >> the structure is dedicated towards classifying. If you'd like users to
> > >> actually
> > >> use this, give it a good name and don't leave them guessing what this
> > >> structure is by throwing vague jargon some other paper or spec has
> > >> because it's close enough.
> > >>
> > >
> > > all the people in the domain accepts bounding box, they can understand
> > > this
> > > struct name easily and clearly, they might be bothered if we use another
> > name.
> > >
> > > btw, AVObjectClassification confuses people who just want object
> > > detection.
> > >
> >
> > As I said, the name "bounding box" makes no sense once it gets overloaded
> > with object classification.
>
> dnn_detect creates an array of 'bounding box' for all detected objects, and
> dnn_classify assigns attributes for a set of bounding boxes (with same object
> id). 'bounding box' serves both detection and classification properly.
>
>
> > Object classification is still the main use of the filters,
> > because the original proposal was to have all of this info be
> > ffmpeg-private,
> > which would forbid simple object detection.
>
> The original proposal is to add it as side data which is ffmpeg-public, and
> then,
> we spent much time discussing/trying with ffmpeg-private as an temporary
> method, and since it is not good to be temporary, we now switch back to
> ffmpeg-public.
>
> During the whole period, we don't have any intention to
> 'forbid simple object detection', not quite understand your point here.
>
>
> > So I still maintain this should be called "Object classification". I'd
> > accept
> > "Object detection" as well, but definitely not "bounding box".
>
> imho, ' Object detection' and ' Object classification' are worse, they just
> describe one aspect of the struct. The users might just use filter dnn_detect,
> they might use filters dnn_detect + dnn_classify.
>
>
> >
> > Since the decision was made to make the side data public, we have to make
> > very sure it contains no hacks or is impossible to extend, since we don't
> > want
> > to have an
> > "AV_SIDE_DATA_OBJECT_CLASSIFICATION_VERSION_2_SORRY_WE_SCREWED_
> > UP"
> > faster than you can say "Recursive cascade correlation artificial neural
> > networks".
>
> sorry, not quite understand your point here.
>
> 'bounding box' is designed for general purpose to contain the info for
> detection/classification. It doesn't matter which DNN model is used, it
> doesn't
> matter if a traditional algorithm (non-dnn) is used.
>
> I'm open to use a better name. And bounding box is the best one for me till
> now.
> Everyone in the domain knows the exact meaning of bounding box without
> extra explanation. This word has been extended/evolved with such meaning in
> this domain.
>
+1
I think it is wise to use the name which is widely used in the field.
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