Check your errorlog for httpd.  In mine, the problem was bad (changed) permissions for 
/var/log/httpd.

Bob
> Crap, I got this just after I did it...
> 
> now i can't get it working and can't even seem to get the old ones working
> again either...
> 
> what a pain in the ass...
> 
> I am at a complete loss... if I cant upgrade the rpms,,, (which were still
> on the update page last night)

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