On Sat, 2015-07-11 at 15:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-07-11 at 14:09 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > That wasn't the point I was making. You said something about Google 
> > 
> > and the NSA. The question of legal decryption is entirely separate.
> 
> Another subscriber mentioned Google and the NSA, it wasn't me.

Apologies, you are correct.

> Btw. even if mails wouldn't get sniffed and analysed, we can't expect
> that deleting from a provider's server will really shred the mails on
> this server and we completely don't have impact to other servers 
> those
> mails passed. IMO mails that aren't encrypted anyway should be 
> deleted
> after retrieving and they are better preserved on a private computer.

Unless you're running an SMTP server on your own machine, to which
everyone who ever sends you email connects *directly* (from their own
machine, not using a webmail system, and of course using an encrypted
channel), then your mail is going through multiple intermediaries, any
one of which can keep a copy of it.

This is the way email has always worked. Deleting messages from the
final stage IMAP or POP server after download does nothing to prevent
this.

poc

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