On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 2:43:02 AM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:




On 1/11/2025 2:16 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Saturday, January 11, 2025 at 1:55:12 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:

On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 2:17 PM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

*> What isn't being discussed is the likely banking crisis as a result of 
these fires. With entire neighhoods burning out of existence, I wouldn't be 
surprised if there's a Trillion+ dollars of bad debt being created, as 
homeowners default on their mortgages.*


*The figure I've heard is $135 billion in fire damage, it would take more 
than that to cause a banking crisis.  *

*John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*



That's just a preliminary estimate for rebuilding houses and *total 
*infrastructure 
replacement. Three months ago, State Farm, a major insurance company, 
cancelled 70% of its fire insurance policies in the LA area, so I infer 
that most homeowners are uninsured, and those that are, likely won't 
collect anything since insurance is not structured for this type of near 
global disaster and many will declare bankruptcy to avoid paying and going 
under. Fire Insurance works when there are sporadic fires, not as in this 
case where entire towns are wiped out, like Altadena, north and east of 
Pasadena where I resided when I worked for JPL, and Pacific Palisades, and 
some others. Given the number of homes totally destroyed and the likely 
lack of insurance among a majority of residents, IMO the total damage, 
including mortgage defaults, could exceed one TRILLION dollars. AG


Remember, those properties were almost all insured.  The insurance 
companies also buy reinsurance so they spread the risk further.  A trillion 
dollars is probably high for rebuilding everything.  There were around a 
thousand homes and buildings burned, I'd estimate around 500K$ per house to 
rebuild.  The insurance companies will pay off.  They many not want to 
insure new homes, but the state may require them to or else not do any 
business in CA.

Brent


The number of buildings burned is around 10,000 and counting, and probably 
most were not insured for fire. I have a friend from JPL who lives in La 
Verne and he's not insured for fire because, he said, the annual rate is 
too high. He mentioned it as $15,000. Leaving CA could be the best option 
for insurance companies rather than going bankrupt. AG

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