AG, your misunderstanding is once again on full display. Simultaneity is about the frame-dependent nature of when events occur. The frames disagree on whether the car fits because simultaneity shifts the timing of events like the back entering the garage and the front exiting.
Your claim that "morons just say the words" is rich coming from someone who dismisses simultaneity entirely while pretending length contraction is enough. Calculations using the Lorentz transformations explicitly show how simultaneity shifts the alignment of events across frames. If you’d bothered to actually engage with the math instead of trolling, you’d see that simultaneity explains why there’s no contradiction. In the car frame, the garage is shorter, and simultaneity ensures that the back enters after the front leaves. That’s why the car doesn’t fit. This isn’t just "words"—it’s the direct consequence of SR and the LT. Your refusal to understand this isn’t a lack of calculation—it’s a lack of effort on your part. Le ven. 10 janv. 2025, 16:21, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > On Friday, January 10, 2025 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 9:49 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > *> **if you believe in the LT, you can establish the car doesn't fit from > the pov of the car frame, so if you believe in SR, you have to conclude > that if such pictures could be taken, they could NOT be simultaneous. AG * > > > *Then what are we arguing about? * > > > There are no pictures taken simultaneity, I've never seen such pictures, > so what the F were you alleging about what I've seen? But if you believe in > SR and the LR, you have to conclude the car won't fit in car frame. The > problem with invoking disagreement with simultaneity is that the morons who > assert it just say the words, as if that's enough, but rarely if ever do > they do any calculation to prove the key point; the time change of events > in the car frame which would show no contradiction, no paradox. AG > > > *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* > twa > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d0615940-1496-4444-8d8c-c04dc0e2dea6n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d0615940-1496-4444-8d8c-c04dc0e2dea6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAo-Op70s2rqqDGxGHyAgG48Bm%2B16--0o1bszopV7ENVDw%40mail.gmail.com.
