On Tuesday, January 7, 2025 at 1:12:14 AM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:
On 1/6/2025 10:57 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: *It might be a false belief. I'll grant you that. But can you prove it false? * I can't if you won't say what your belief is. If your belief is that it cannot be the case that the car fits in the garage frame and not in the car frame, then I have proven it false. You have not pointed out a flaw in my proof. You just make vague assertions of you opinion like " I don't think this issue has been adequately resolved". Brent *I am not sure what I believe. I am open to alternatives. But I don't see that you proved anything. * So I can't prove it false because it is indefinite. You have not absorbed the lesson of my diagram. *The apparent paradox arose because the results of SR seemed untenable, that is, false* *Seemed untenable to you...which is just vague obfuscation.* *I apologize for trying to be candid and honest. AG* *Then you used SR to affirm something in doubt. So your logic is circular. AG * *Affirming something that YOU doubt is no criticism of my logic. Brent* *I understand your plots well enough to see the cirularity. You said it yourself; no objectivity about fitting, an alleged demonstration showing the frame disagreement about fitting. Note that the apparent paradox is based length contraction in SR. Your "proof" that the paradox is just apparent is to use SR to get the same result as anyone would, using length contraction, and possibly, in addition, the disagreement about simultaneity. If a system is possibly broken, and I am not necessarily claiming it is, it makes no sense to use that very system to prove it isn't broken. IOW, doing the same thing and expecting to get a different result is not inherently valid. AG* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2f0e8317-3a0c-43f9-9de3-99b25f7b5a3cn%40googlegroups.com.
