On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:30:41 AM UTC-7 PGC wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2025 at 2:48:25 AM UTC+1 Quentin Anciaux wrote: What pains me the most, is that this mailing list had I think the most influential and best thinkers of this century and we're left with that... this list had (and still has for those not in the mind bending dead state) hal finney, wei dai, jurgen Schmidhuber, Russell Standish, Saibal Mitra, Jason Resch, Terren Suydam, Telmo Menezez, Brent Meeker, Bruno Marchal and all of the nice non troll and truth seeking humans in this reality that I forgot, happy new year, happy new day to be alive to you all and happy discovering of this mind bending reality. I really love you all, even the ones who triggers that bad feelings in me. Look, I am all for freedom and anti-censorship as the next guy but I think times have shifted from late 90s and early 2000s. This list is a target because some nuanced discussion takes place, people are jealous and want to be associated with that; abusing the list's original purpose of exchange on broad everything/ensemble type theories. The lack of moderation is why people leave because: why should anybody bother? You can't block one offender's posts, as they have mushroomed into too many spammers posting too much. Reading a good post is becoming like an annoying search mission. One solution is to create a curated mirror of the archive—preserving those two decades of thoughtful exchanges in a read-only format on a stable, publicly accessible platform—while simultaneously placing tighter controls on new posts. By instituting a simple vetting process for membership (I DON'T want to be admin or part of admin team, but what's happening here has reached a tipping point; even if I am not part of the list's future, there needs to be some admin work performed by more people) and routing all messages through a light moderation layer, administrator(s) can ensure that genuine contributions do not get overwhelmed by off-topic spam. Additional filters can help shield the discussion from the bs. This measured shift toward a moderated forum maintains access to the original trove of insights while keeping future debates civil, ensuring that valuable material remains easy to find and that new voices can join the conversation in a constructive atmosphere. There's a difference between naive posts and people willing to refine their positions with willingness to learn and abusive ideologues, trolls etc. Russell, Brent, Quentin etc. please consider beefing up admin and moderation, as we can't see the forest for the trees anymore. Another idea would be to move off grid and have parts be not publicly accessible. I don't post original thoughts anymore as trolls are stealing here to grow their audiences without crediting sources. Additionally, the list can defend itself by writing to troll audiences, their platforms, or their publication outlets and linking to the evidence, like https://groups.google.com/g/everything-list/c/RV_fof0nvKQ I don't care what measures should be taken, nor am I ambitious in advocating anything. But imho the first step would be starting a general vetting procedure for who gets posting rights and not; both for old and new members alike, and let a team of old hands/moderators, who know the spirit of this list the way you describe it should perform it. Happy New Year to thos around here that matter. Moderation is inappropriate where Trump physics is endorsed. AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/639539f8-899d-47b6-91c6-37fb9123f6b0n%40googlegroups.com.
