On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 11:03:27 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:




On 12/14/2024 8:55 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 9:09:01 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:




On 12/14/2024 7:46 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

I meant I hadn't considered the ordering you postulated as effecting 
simultaneity. By "fit", I always meant the ordering you described, *and* 
that the paradox is alive and well under such ordering. Moreover, I don't 
see why in the car frame we can't have the phenomenon synchronized with the 
garage frame, so the observers see the same thing, at the same time, which 
IMO implies a paradox. A'sG


They can't see the same events at the same time because they are moving 
relative to one another and light has a finite velocity.

Brent


But there's only one phenomenon to observe, from different points of view. 

No, there's an event of  the front of the car exiting the garage and the 
event of the rear of the car entering the garage, two phenomena.

Brent


In this situation, we have two frames, with clocks sychronized in each 
frame. Can the clocks be mutally synchronized, and if so, will the 
synchronization remain intact? If not, why not? TY, AG 

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