Bruno, A. Yang could think outside the box, but that sort of left him no room
within his party. If I was any good at social engineering to make a better
society, I'd have gone into law, and ran for office. Alas! Or more likely,
Thank God! ("You know he doesn't like to be called that!" -Battlestar
Galactica, the 2nd). I figure sort of like Bjorn Lomborg, Matt Ridley, Michael
Schellenberger, that we have some workable solutions, and the trick is getting
these into the right hands. I am not sure Yang's enthusiasm for thorium
reactors is that way forward. Because if sodium is the moderator-coolant, then
we know it burns on contact with air and explodes when exposed to water. I'd
settle for a nice quiet solar panel if it could collect the energy enough for
my dwelling and could store it with a advanced battery, for night, clouds,
winter? I have always like Carlo Rubia's idea, now being realized in your own
nation, the accelerator driven reactor.
https://myrrha.be/
Mitch
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2020 6:53 am
Subject: Re: Sharpiegate
On 7 Aug 2020, at 00:06, spudboy100 via Everything List
<[email protected]> wrote:
I cannot help but agree with you on this Bruno. If we all agreed on politics,
we wouldn't (as a species) developed the A-bomb, radar, the jet plane, missiles…
Of course that is a big IF.
The advantage of democracy here is that we can agree on what we disagree, and
make local try, and change our mind in case the results disconfirm the
political idea.
Beyond this, there are many mutually, beneficial areas of research and
development (including medical science) that we as a species, again, are
underfunding. But, we have to be coldly rational about this, to all work on
this together.
That’s the key: working together, and avoiding the pitfall of private huge
interest, which makes money from diseases and catastrophes, a bit like the jail
lobby makes money from “crime”, leading to absurd notion like “non violent
crime” (a crime is always violent, even if the violence is not “physical”!).
There must be a reasonably rapid ROI (return on investment) like a vaccine, for
example, to return the global economy to "normal.”
In a pandemic, money is not the real problem. Whatever amount of men you put in
reconstructing after an *international* disaster is good investment, unless
bandits take the money for them (which is a bit the actual problem in different
places).
In fact, Andrew Yang (who was a candidate for the election) got it right I
think: we should implement some form of universal allocation. Then we can let
people make as much money as they want, or no money at all (which benefits
terribly for the long run projects). But we are still a long way from this,
alas.
Also energy (yes, we have ITER in France but we need something quicker!) like
solar (Perovskite solar), battery storage, Hydrogen (Europe's fav), transport,
space, machine intelligence.
I don’t think energy is a serious problem, except for its misuse by dishonest
humans. Dishonesty *is* the problem, even more today than yesterday. The root
of dishonesty is the lack of basic education, and the deviance of the human
science, like with the political correctness attitude, etc.
Bruno
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 6:47 am
Subject: Re: Sharpiegate
On 2 Aug 2020, at 02:29, spudboy100 via Everything List
<[email protected]> wrote:
Myself as well Jason. The pharmacy board appeared to be a political response
here, rather than medical. If Hydro doesn't help it doesn't, and if it does it
does.
The health domain has been fully politicised since the law of prohibition.
The goal of prohibition was, right at the start, “political”. In fact the goal
was to harass the Mexicans. It was pure unedulcorated racism, with the help of
the (alcohol) prohibitionists who was looking for new substance to forbid
(after the failure of alcohol prohibition).
Prohibition is an antic technic to control people and arrest them arbitrarily.
A famous use seems have to been done in Turkey, where a sultan made tobacco
illegal … with a death penalty, and this only to kill all its opponents.
Prohibition is a nonsense. Even in a prison, you can’t control the drugs, so
outside it …
Jack Cole, a founder of LEAP (cops against prohibition), said that God is the
first prohibitionist (you will not eat this fruit), and God did not succeeded,
despite its infinite power, and the fact that the population number was 2.
Prohibition is just a technic to transform a free-market into a market driven
by crime. It has been, and still is, the golden goose of the terrorists and the
criminals. I read sometime ago that more than 90% of the benefits of
prohibition and drug dealing is used to corrupt politicians for … continuing
the prohibition.
Bruno
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Resch <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Aug 1, 2020 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: Sharpiegate
I agree it is unfortunate that what should purely be a medical/risk management
decision has become politicized.
Fortunately the Ohio's governor intervened to make the pharmacy board reversed
their ban. Whether any particular treatment is effective or not, the decision
must remain one made by the patient and their doctor, in my opinion.
Jason
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:52 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah Jason, it's shouldn't be about ideology, but results. However, human
nature is what it is, and often "faith" overwhelms facts. If someone hates
Orange Man enough, and see Covid as something secondary or tertiary, they won't
care. Even Scott Adams (Dilbert) was vehemently contemptuous of
Hydroxychloroquine as useless or damaging, and spoke against it as of three
weeks ago. Adams, changed his opinion based on new studies. Adams is not a
physician or a scientist but always uses their papers and voices in his
analysis. 12 min video follows. Adams is big league in math and science, but
was an investment banker as first background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCRGYtMgn4c
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Resch <[email protected]>
To: Everything List <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: Sharpiegate
There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at giving it
early in the disease, or prophylactically, they showed HCQ was beneficial. This
site summarizes them all: https://c19study.com/
The only studies that have shown HCQ to be ineffective are those where it is
given late in the disease progression (when the disease shifts from the viral
replication phase to an immune system dysregulation phase (see page 2)). Even
then, 61% of studies have shown some effectiveness even when it is given late.
Given the well-established safety record of HCQ, this is the dilemma we face:
| | HCQ works | HCQ doesn't work |
| HCQ widely dispensed | 10,000s of thousands of lives saved | $20 wasted per
patient |
| HCQ use restricted | 10,000s of thousands of needless deaths | $0 wasted per
patient |
Even in the face of impartial information on its effectiveness, the decision is
clear.
Jason
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:52 PM PGC <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 3:58:02 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Jul 2020, at 22:59, PGC <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:52:09 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote:
On 7/30/2020 1:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Refute this Telmo-
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
One viewer here indicated this was not a study-but it is a study indeed
concluding the benefits of Hydro.
Now what do I think? If it works it works, and if it doesn't it doesn't.
That's just false. Some things work on some infections in some people using
some protocols of care.
Agreed. Ongoing large scale international clinical trials are what they are.
Nobody claims that they or the papers in their wake are perfect, but to pretend
that a few tiny studies are "in need of refutation" or that the world's
epidemiological community is orchestrating conspiracies without evidence like
some on Twitter and on social media tend to peddle, is naive or evidence of the
effectivity of disinformation, not evidence of effectivity of medication.
OK in principle. But we can also look at the map of the evolution of the virus
in country using it and not using it. My own country has used it, France has
used it, then change its mind, a number of time.We can also take into account
that the US FDA has lied about “not evidence of effectivity of cannabis” since
about a century. It is only very recently that it has admit its effectivity for
some disease in some public way (it accepted it more discreetly for some rich
patients since long though).
But if Telmo and/or Mitch need, they can always get in touch with their closest
epidemiologists/docs and ask for the data and emails, and inform the
coordinating committee of their findings and worries, citing who they wish.
While data of the majority of ongoing trials and appropriate epidemiological
discourse may not be accessible on the net or published ("ongoing" being
somewhat relevant...), it isn't classified or anything. PGC
I have done that a little bit, but it is hard to interpret. A biologist friend
of mine seems to believe that the Canadian studies showing that
Hydroxychoroquine is better than Remdesevir is rather serious. The amount of
money hidden in the pharmaceutical debate is so big that the misinformation is
perpetual. But you are right: it is not classified, and even just googling on
the net shows that hydroxychloroquine, when used convenably, *might* be better
than some other medication, and perhaps cannabis is still better (as more and
more studies seem to show).
If you, Mitch, Telmo, your biologist friend, or Trump have data concerning
effectiveness of HCQ with significant sample sizes in randomized
placebo-controlled trials, and can demonstrate that said trials are free of
epidemiologists' long lists of possible issues/bias, then the only thing
stopping you guys from stepping forward and making world history as
non-professionals is your own minds. PGC
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