Agreed Lawrence. The China - Vietnam rivalry goes back 1000 years. They did fight over islands in disputed waters in 1979. If I recall, sentiment was pro-China because of the Vietnam war, in the US. Nixon-Kissinger actually did the WW2 type carpet bombings in 1972 to get Giap back to the negotiation table. The South lost (1975) because for most South Vietnamese, all through the conflict, tended to be nationalist, and if the North won, so be it! This was ever an issue for the US, that the North fought hard, and ARVN, the South, rarely did. Takeaway? You cannot make somebody like spaghetti, if they don't like spaghetti.
-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 8:09 am Subject: Re: soul swap Only quibble I have with your history is that N. Vietnam was not supported that much by China as it was the Soviet Union. The PRC was tepidly disposed to the Ho Chi Minh inspired regime, but China and the Vietnamese have long standing enmities. The USSR was the main supplier of Viet Minh and NV army, which lead to the break up of the USSR-PRC alliance. The trains that sent arms to NV went through China and the Chinese stole what they could from those trains. The NV would complain the the USSR, which would point the finger at PRC, which in turn would deny. Sound familiar? PRC attempted an invasion into Vietnam (then unified) in 1979, and Vietnam punched a black eye to PRC. LC On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 9:25:21 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: Nixon's Southern Strategy was rolling up states that LBJ discarded. It needs to be remembered that George Corely Wallace was a Democrat. Beyond this was the refusal of Johnson and his generals to either fight the war in Vietnam, or end it? It was a badly pursued war, by Johnson and Westmoreland. They were constrained by the fear that China would use fission (1964) and fusion (1967) in "defense" of North Vietnam. The US policy until Nixon (secret plan to end the war!) was to send 500k troops in and take fire, or send them to retake hills which take hills, then go away, and the VC and the North troops will simply go back and set up shop. This, was the conduct of the war from the people who fought in WW2 (The Greatest Generation), sit there and do nothing. So, southern whites got Drafted along with southern blacks and The War was the biggest feature and not the Southern Strategy. Nixon was such a paranoid, he pissed away this 1972 win using The Plumbers to bug the then hopeless dems. Ancient History. The Draft was the killer of both parties, back then, because if you're going to fight a war, fight it. Since then, the lesson has not been learned by grads of West Point. -----Original Message----- From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2020 4:58 pm Subject: Re: soul swap On 8/5/2020 5:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> agree with that. His election was a surprise, but there is a clear >> path leading to it, starting from Nixon's Southern Strategy > > > What has been Nixon’s Southern Strategy? Was it anti-black? I > suspected Nixon to be a crook, but I am not informed that he was a > racist, well, … I do remember some antisémite statements though. Nixon > was a crook, but quite an amateur one compared to Trump. At least > Nixon was still able to resign… Trump will not resign easily, even > after the election. If Biden win, he might just say “fake news” and > send police for those who doubt this… The Southern Strategy was to take advantage of reaction against Lyndon Johnson's civil rights act and the voting act. The Republican strategists saw that by supporting "states rights" and "anti-busing" and "anti-abortion" they could draw off the white Democratic support in the southern states and in the Catholic labor class. It was very successful. Before Nixon the southern states were know as "the solid south", meaning solidly Democratic. This dated back to a southern reaction against Republican carpetbaggers after the Civil War. What it showed was that racism was still a strong political motivator in 1968. In only two election cycles the southern states switched from Democratic to Republican. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7b1d5c3d-2de5-0fd3-c685-ddc6dd5fd675%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a074e67e-78ad-4399-87ec-c631c7964dc2n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1450647974.927496.1596752082768%40mail.yahoo.com.
