> On 24 May 2019, at 02:26, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 11:03:49 AM UTC-5, howardmarks wrote: > Good point on the "Higgs" Boson. Especially when the discoverer said what he > said. The experiments at CERN, Fermi Lab, etc. were run with the standard > model in mind. They defined the "evidence" they expected a Higgs boson to > manifest in residue particles, and, when they found, amongst the subatomic > and atomic debris, a particle near the characteristics they expected, they > called it a "hit". There is only indirect evidence. We can't directly > observe picometer objects moving at close to the speed of light. We know few > things, like the mass to charge ratio and approx kinetic energy... > Cheers! > > My area is physics, and have written on the connection between spacetime or > gravitation with particle physics. Cosmin wanted to see the Higgs boson, and > that is about it. It may be disappointing, but the particle only last about > 10^{-25} seconds on a path 10^{-15}cm long. So we detect this field by the > particles it decays into. Since it requires a lot of energy the machine is > large, the detectors are large and it is a major undertaking. I don't have > Higgs particles in my pocket.
Really? How does your handkerchief get a mass? Bruno > > Cosmin might be somewhat earnest in his intent here, or he might just be > another up and coming hustler trying to get people to follow. If he is > earnest then he has been hustled. The various attempts to really measure > these things have always come up with white noise in the statistics. Where > scientific claims are made it is usually because of the file drawer effect, > which is data cherry picking. There is nothing here. > > LC > > > > On 5/22/2019 11:20 PM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> >> >> On 5/22/2019 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>>> On 21 May 2019, at 20:15, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The Higgs boson was produced very much "at will". In fact a lot willing >>>> went into it. >>> >>> You mean the Englert-Brout-Higgs boson? >>> >>> Englert did not want it. He was disappointed. He learned nothing. He said >>> it on TV when he got the prize. >>> >>> He was used to assume the Standard Model of the particles. >>> >>> He would have preferred something new. Like a refutation, a surprise, >>> enforcing the change of mind, something needed to progress. >> >> All physicists would have preferred something new. You don't make progress >> just by confirmation. >> >> Brent >> >>> >>> So, if you tell me that the Higgs boson appeared by the psychic will of a >>> conspiracy of telepath physicists, (with some help of the engineers, I >>> guess), I don’ think Englert participated in this. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> On 5/21/2019 1:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >>>>> Telepathy doesn't happen necessarily at will. It only happens when >>>>> certain conditions are being met. Asking someone to produce telepathy on >>>>> the spot is like asking him to produce Higgs Boson on the spot. So let's >>>>> do like this: you produce me a Higgs Boson, and I'll produce you a >>>>> telepathy. If you can't do it, it means Higgs Bosons don't exist. 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