On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 11:03:49 AM UTC-5, howardmarks wrote:
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> Good point on the "Higgs" Boson. Especially when the discoverer said what
> he said. The experiments at CERN, Fermi Lab, etc. were run with the
> standard model in mind. They defined the "evidence" they expected a Higgs
> boson to manifest in residue particles, and, when they found, amongst the
> subatomic and atomic debris, a particle near the characteristics they
> expected, they called it a "hit". There is only indirect evidence. We
> can't directly observe picometer objects moving at close to the speed of
> light. We know few things, like the mass to charge ratio and approx kinetic
> energy...
> Cheers!
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My area is physics, and have written on the connection between spacetime or
gravitation with particle physics. Cosmin wanted to see the Higgs boson,
and that is about it. It may be disappointing, but the particle only last
about 10^{-25} seconds on a path 10^{-15}cm long. So we detect this field
by the particles it decays into. Since it requires a lot of energy the
machine is large, the detectors are large and it is a major undertaking. I
don't have Higgs particles in my pocket.
Cosmin might be somewhat earnest in his intent here, or he might just be
another up and coming hustler trying to get people to follow. If he is
earnest then he has been hustled. The various attempts to really measure
these things have always come up with white noise in the statistics. Where
scientific claims are made it is usually because of the file drawer effect,
which is data cherry picking. There is nothing here.
LC
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> On 5/22/2019 11:20 PM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote:
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> On 5/22/2019 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 21 May 2019, at 20:15, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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> The Higgs boson was produced very much "at will". In fact a lot willing
> went into it.
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> You mean the Englert-Brout-Higgs boson?
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> Englert did not want it. He was disappointed. He learned nothing. He said
> it on TV when he got the prize.
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> He was used to assume the Standard Model of the particles.
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> He would have preferred something new. Like a refutation, a surprise,
> enforcing the change of mind, something needed to progress.
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> All physicists would have preferred something new. You don't make
> progress just by confirmation.
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> Brent
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> So, if you tell me that the Higgs boson appeared by the psychic will of a
> conspiracy of telepath physicists, (with some help of the engineers, I
> guess), I don’ think Englert participated in this.
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> Bruno
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> Brent
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> On 5/21/2019 1:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
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> Telepathy doesn't happen necessarily at will. It only happens when certain
> conditions are being met. Asking someone to produce telepathy on the spot
> is like asking him to produce Higgs Boson on the spot. So let's do like
> this: you produce me a Higgs Boson, and I'll produce you a telepathy. If
> you can't do it, it means Higgs Bosons don't exist. They are just anecdots
> from a bunch of gurus at CERN.
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