On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 9:30:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 May 2019, at 12:31, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 2:13:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> I don’t see how, nor why, we could associate experience with matter. Then >> with mechanism, we have to explain the appearance of matter from the >> universal numbers and their relations. Materialism requires non-mechanism. >> I have never found any evidence for (weak) materialism, but there are many >> evidence for mechanism, and computer science provides a mathematically >> precise theory of 3p self, 1p self, and material selves, in a precise >> enough way so that it can be tested. Up to now, QM assesses mechanism, >> which is not the case with Laplace or Newton. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> > One could have an an ontology of pure phenomenology, of pure experiences, > including first-person experience: "I am." > > Or one of pure information, of pure arithmetic/logic, from low-order PA to > higher-order modal and even infinitary arithmetics/logics. > > The first captures the real existence of experience, but misses the > grounding that matter provides. > > The second captures all possible behavioral descriptions, but has the big > hole in it of missing experience itself. > > > That is where you are incorrect. Arithmetic (not to be confused with human > theories about arithmetic) contains what is needed to assess experiences > and first personhood to numbers, or more exactly to infinitely many numbers > relations. > > The universal machines already explains that she has a soul, but that she > cannot prove this to you, as you cannot prove that you are conscious to me, > even if I bet you are. > > Only matter supplies what is needed for both. > > > It adds something we don’t understand to something we make unintelligible, > like a mind-body identification. > > Bruno > > > This was posted today. If each person is in a real number, then *Watch out!*
<https://twitter.com/JDHamkins> Joel David Hamkins @JDHamkins <https://twitter.com/JDHamkins> · 7h <https://twitter.com/JDHamkins/status/1130820035080073216> We'll be throwing darts at the real line today at the Phil Maths seminar. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c795d369-98ba-4699-a5f4-eb0e76e372e6%40googlegroups.com.
