On Friday, February 7, 2014 9:55:02 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:09:39 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> Ghibbsa, >> >> But it IS true that Andromedans must be doing something at this very >> present moment. That's a key insight to the theory. >> >> The fact that we can't determine exactly what the clock time is there of >> that present moment, or the fact that they might be doing things faster or >> slower than we are doesn't falsify that they are doing something right now. >> The fact that we may not be able to determine what they are doing, doesn't >> mean they aren't doing something.... >> >> After all that's also true of any two observers including e.g. astronauts >> on the space station. Do we doubt that they are actually doing something up >> there right now in this present moment? No, of course not. And the >> difference with Andromeda is only a matter of degree. thus if we can claim >> a present moment for the space station, we can for Andromeda also. >> > > OK, and note I am trying on your idea in the very way I am also > questioning it. So the question is, allowing there could be a 1:1 matching > of moments, is the idea meaningful if people in one galaxy have a big > enough moment to think some thought like "people in that galaxy right > now..." whereas the people in that other galaxy experience the same moment > as 3 years or as 4 microseconds. > > In what meaningful sense is that a shared moment? Given the real time - > and we are talking about time - is experienced totally differently. Why > aren't the realities of time and how it is completely different, more > fundamental than some since that it would be possible if we had all the > data to do some 1:1 correlation such that everything could be related via a > p-time. > > Again, note that I am questioning your idea, from within supposing your > idea is true. > And, again from within supposing p-time is true, why is the present moment the twins come back to fundamental, when that particular shared moment actually isn't, because if one or both twins changed their speeds they'd both experience a completely different meeting time respectively. And they wouldn't necessarily meet in a p-time. Not if one of them went really fast, because the other one would get old and die waiting for his twin, through millions of p-moments. Whereas the fast moving one would feel like it'd been a month. So does the fact they would meet back as A p-moment GIVEN a particular relative speed? I mean, there's nothing special about the fact they both return to the same PLACE. And nothing special about the time they do or do not coincide at. So how does this twin thing support p-time exactly?
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