On 27 Jan 2014, at 06:55, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/26/2014 9:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 January 2014 17:31, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/26/2014 6:44 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 January 2014 14:08, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/26/2014 3:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I have provided the definition. Should I repeat?
God is the transcendental reality we bet on, and which is
supposed to be responsible for my or our existence.
Sounds like "physics" to me.
If physics is transcendental, a lot of people may be wasting their
time trying to find a TOE.
Depends on what "transcendental" things have to transcend. Bruno's
fond of pointing out that physicist just assume that matter is
fundamental but don't define it. Of course they might say, "It's
whatever we find to be fundamental...and we're calling it doG."
Transcendental does have a lot of meanings, depending on who's
using it, but generally I'd take it to be something like "beyond
our understanding", hence my (tongue in cheek) comment.
I think Bruno has a point. Well, at least, I'd be disappointed if
physicist decided that they couldn't explain matter etc, and that
they should just "shut up and calculate" from now on.
Refer to my discourse on solving "the hard problem". If you
calculate stuff accurately and predict stuff that surprising, people
will think you've explained it.
By definition, that can solve only the easy problem. You just dismiss
the hard problem.
Yet, the hard problem is 99,9% solvable, but with the price that
physicalism is wrong. net adavantage, we do get an explanation, not
only for consciousness, but also for the origin of matter.
Here I 'm afraid you tend to be an eliminativist, here.
Bruno
Brent
The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to
interpret, they mainly make models. By a model is meant a
mathematical construct which, with the addition of certain verbal
interpretations, describes observed phenomena. The justification of
such a mathematical construct is solely and precisely that it is
expected to work.
--—John von Neumann
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