On 1/26/2014 9:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 January 2014 17:31, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    On 1/26/2014 6:44 PM, LizR wrote:
    On 27 January 2014 14:08, meekerdb <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        On 1/26/2014 3:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
        I have provided the definition. Should I repeat?
        God is the transcendental reality we bet on, and which is supposed to be
        responsible for my or our existence.
        Sounds like "physics" to me.


    If physics is transcendental, a lot of people may be wasting their time 
trying to
    find a TOE.
    Depends on what "transcendental" things have to transcend.  Bruno's fond of 
pointing
    out that physicist just assume that matter is fundamental but don't define 
it.  Of
    course they might say, "It's whatever we find to be fundamental...and we're 
calling
    it doG."

Transcendental does have a lot of meanings, depending on who's using it, but generally I'd take it to be something like "beyond our understanding", hence my (tongue in cheek) comment.

I think Bruno has a point. Well, at least, I'd be disappointed if physicist decided that they couldn't explain matter etc, and that they should just "shut up and calculate" from now on.

Refer to my discourse on solving "the hard problem". If you calculate stuff accurately and predict stuff that surprising, people will think you've explained it.

Brent
The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they mainly make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct which, with the addition of certain verbal interpretations, describes observed phenomena. The justification of such a mathematical construct is solely and precisely that it is expected to work.
    -----John von Neumann

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