Bruno and Brent, please do not paint me as a Robert Rosen imitation. I have esteem for his mind, but tried to go on from SOME of his thoughts in my own way. He was a mathematician and a biologist, I am none of those. His untimely death cut his thoughts and I believe there would have been more to it if he continues and publishes not only what may be compatible with a reductionist audience, but ventures into agnosticism himself, beyond his 'model' limited to the presently(?) knowbles. At best I am a 'heretic' Rosenite, as I am a 'heretic Marchallite (if I may say so).
Brent may be right with his "leading nowhere", which may be the itinery of our present ignorance. John M On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1/8/2014 9:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Hi John, > > On 07 Jan 2014, at 23:20, John Mikes wrote: > > Bruno, you made my day. > > Reminds me of a Hungarian humorous author (P. Howard) who wrote about a > blind philosopher (The Sleepy Elephant) and his assistant living in the > deep Sahara - showing the Elephant's Life Oeuvre in a BIG book, the > assistant was supposed to write as the old Blind Elephant dictated. It was > all empty and the assistant asked somebody to inscribe: "I cannot write, > but it makes him so happy when I pretend..." - > > > Lol > > > > When reading your remarks I wonder what REALLY mean 'machine', 'comp', > 'universal', and some more of your words I got used to over the past 2 > decades, yet are not "clear"(??) enough in my mind to automatically > click-in when used. > Do you have a *glossary *I could download, to refresh those (brief!) > meanings? > > > I have no glossary. Maybe I should do that. I use each term in the most > standard sense used by the expert in the field. Computable is made > ultra-standard, if I can say, thanks to the Church thesis. > > Let me try an explanation, below, for the notions mentioned above. > > (I am aware that you appreciate Robert Rosen critics of Church Thesis, > but as you know I have some reservation that it is really a critics of > Church thesis, as a critic of possible misuse of Church's thesis). > > > I'd take Rosen as a cautionary example of holism leading nowhere. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
