2013/12/1 meekerdb <[email protected]> > On 11/30/2013 7:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:40 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 11/30/2013 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> In fact, materialism cannot explain matter, either. Worst, it avoids >> trying to explain it at the start. >> >> >> It's not worse, it's logic. Whatever is taken as fundamental in a >> theory is not something explained in the theory. Your theory takes numbers >> and arithmetic for granted. >> >> > It is logical in the case of arithmetical realism to assume numbers are > fundamental because it is provable that the numbers cannot be explained in > terms of anything simpler, > > > I'd like to see that proof. I don't think 'red' can be explained in terms > of something simpler - but that doesn't mean it's fundamental nor that it > can't be explained. "Simpler" can be a complicated concept. > > > but there is no known proof (or even an argument offered by > materialists) that matter cannot be explained in terms of something simpler. > > > Of course not. That would the point the it's fundamental. >
The point of Jason if I may, is that there is no way to explain numbers without assuming them... but there are ways to explain matter without assuming it. Quentin > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
