It seems unlikely that the nature of dark matter and dark energy will change the ontological status of matter generally. A materialist, for example, will assume that they are "more of the same" -- but less interactive, at least with our 5%.
On 25 November 2013 13:08, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > So far left out of this discussion is that the physical reality that we > observe and derive physical laws for may be only 5% of the universe, the > other 95% being comprised of Dark Energy and Dark Matter, which are > actually just placeholders for the unknown. > > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 11/24/2013 1:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote: >>> >>> To be exact it's the belief that no gods exist, i.e. that "theism" is >>>> wrong. But otherwise it does seem to echo Aristotle and Plato, at least as >>>> far as I understand them. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife, which is close to not making >>> much sense to me (even without comp). This is well illustrated by the >>> french philosophers like La Mettrie and Sade, defending the right to do >>> what you want in your life (including torturing children and women), as you >>> have only one life to profit on. It is part of the origin of the political >>> materialism, implemented in both communism and capitalism, and indeed both >>> are aggressive with any form of spiritualism, and confuse a rich life with >>> a life of rich. >>> >>> The big conceptual difference between Aristotle and Plato is that in >>> Aristotle there is a belief in a primitive material universe, where for >>> Plato, the material universe is a shadow (an emanation, a border, a >>> reflection, a projection,...) of something else (the one, God, the >>> universal dream, etc.). >>> >>> It is the opposition between naturalism (materialism, physicalism), and >>> the other conceptions of reality (which can still be rational, like with >>> the antic greeks and Indians). >>> >>> Atheists and Christians are alike. They have the same conception of the >>> creator (the first to deny it, the second to believe in it), and the same >>> conception of the creation (a material universe). >>> >>> The real "religious" debate is about the primitive or not existence of >>> the physical reality. Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the >>> physical reality? >>> >> >> That isn't a problem at all. It's just like the arguments about the >> existence of god; first you have to define what you mean by "god" before >> you can answer whether "god exists" or not. So what is the definition of >> "physical reality"? It seems to me that "physical" only adds the concept >> of shared/public. But Plato also intended his reality to be shared and >> public. >> >> Brent >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
