Science may never answer the WHY question, but it surely must answer the HOW question. Once we know how, we will likely know why? Right now our ability to understand the universe has been hampered by insufficient tools to observe and analyze what was. But we have become much better over the last 2 decades. What we know is that we have not detected intelligence, anywhere close by. My own personal guesses or at least what I have been toying with is-just by basing it on models scientists know is: 1) God like evolved or arrived as or from a Boltzmann Brain. Technically it fits the bill.
2) There likely is an afterlife based on the concept of Storage Area Networks. So the self-same data gets written stored and processed, in two different geographical locations so the programs, processes, and information are preserved. In our case, or life, entire's, case, the local storage that is ourselves, is local, and the other site is non-local. The same could be said of fleas, mollusks, our own gut bacteria, and giraffes. The inspiration for my foolishness, is the combination of the EPR effect combined with the holographic theory. I cannot say of String or Loop hypotheses has anything to do with my toy model? Last, the mentioning of the good, Marquis de Sade, brings this old stage tune to mind, from the play, Marat-Sade. I don't know if this informs our discussion, but the mentioning of Sade caused me to think of Marat-Sade. Four years he fought and he fought unafraid Sniffing down traitors by traitors betrayed Marat in the courtroom Marat underground Sometimes the otter and sometimes the hound Fighting all the gentry and fighting every priest The business man the bourgeois the military beast Marat always ready to stifle every scheme Of the sons of the ass licking dying regime -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 4:40 am Subject: Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote: To be exact it's the belief that no gods exist, i.e. that "theism" is wrong. But otherwise it does seem to echo Aristotle and Plato, at least as far as I understand them. Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife, which is close to not making much sense to me (even without comp). This is well illustrated by the french philosophers like La Mettrie and Sade, defending the right to do what you want in your life (including torturing children and women), as you have only one life to profit on. It is part of the origin of the political materialism, implemented in both communism and capitalism, and indeed both are aggressive with any form of spiritualism, and confuse a rich life with a life of rich. The big conceptual difference between Aristotle and Plato is that in Aristotle there is a belief in a primitive material universe, where for Plato, the material universe is a shadow (an emanation, a border, a reflection, a projection,...) of something else (the one, God, the universal dream, etc.). It is the opposition between naturalism (materialism, physicalism), and the other conceptions of reality (which can still be rational, like with the antic greeks and Indians). Atheists and Christians are alike. They have the same conception of the creator (the first to deny it, the second to believe in it), and the same conception of the creation (a material universe). The real "religious" debate is about the primitive or not existence of the physical reality. Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical reality? Bruno On 24 November 2013 04:56, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably. I agree. It is the fuzzy belief that the Christian God does not exist, together with the belief in the Christian "Matter". The debate between Atheists and Christians hides the deeper debate between Aristotle and Plato. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
