On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:02:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Sep 2012, at 18:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 24, 2012 5:13:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Sep 2012, at 20:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:28:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> > >> > On 23 Sep 2012, at 15:05, Roger Clough wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi >> > > >> > > >> > > Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses. >> > > So they are appearances, not the processes themselves. >> > > But scientific experiments and measurements are not >> > > made on the appearances, they are made on the >> > > processes. Thus the appearences areor [phenomena >> > > are said to be "well-grounded" in the processes themselves. >> > > >> > > Kant spelled this out in great detail, calling "noumena" the >> > > actual physical process which we cannot reach by our senses, >> > >> > >> > And which does not exist, at least not in the sense that they cause >> > our senses. >> > This is the most counter-intuitive aspect of comp, as the physical >> > process are projection on the conditions making the dream coherent. >> > >> > Why does comp want coherent dreams? >> >> Coherent dreams are reasonable data. > > > Why does comp want reasonable data? > > > Comp does not want them. We have them. They are what *we* want to explain. > Comp is just the working hypothesis. >
It's circular though. Why do we have them? Comp is your working hypothesis, not mine :) Craig > Bruno > > > > >> Comp has to justify their >> existence (easy, with comp), and their relative measure (hard). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/N8X4rKc0vyYJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/T7XDWDR3_HcJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
