On Saturday, August 23, 2025 at 1:30:01 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *>> Even in classical physics entropy is not conserved, do you think that fact is also magic?* *> No, because Entropy just relates to the organization of matter, positions and momenta, not to the existence of such matter. AG* *But energy also relates to the organization of matter, positions and momenta. * *So energy is not magical, but its disappearance is! AG * *> I accept that the redshift is caused by the expansion of space,* *Good! It's about time. * *> **but I want what you're not interested in; to have model which explains the phenomenon.* *What causes the cosmological redshift?* *The expansion of space. * *What causes the expansion of space? * *Space expands because, according to Einstein's General Relativity, static equilibrium is unstable, the slightest perturbation will cause space to either expand or contract. * *> And neither can your claim be proven that an expanding universe "stretches" a photon's wavelength. * *But you said "I accept that the redshift is caused by the expansion of space"* *> You don't seem to understand that your claim is just a story you love and believe has substance. It's nothing more than that!* *So, what's your story that explains the cosmological redshift but does NOT say expanding space causes the wavelength of light to expand, and does Not say that the Earth is the center of the universe? I am all ears. * *I never claimed the Earth is the center of the universe. It's hard to have a polite exchange of views with you if you keep putting words in my mouth. Is there any brains between those ears, or the ability to think about subtleties? AG * *And we know for a fact that photons of light we see from very distant stars contained more energy when they were first emitted than they do now when we see them, and I have given you my story about where that energy went, it went nowhere because energy is not conserved at the cosmological level. But you reject that story, so what is your story, where did that energy go? Inquiring minds want to know. * *I am not sure where the lost energy goes. I can just conjecture that it is somehow absorbed by space. AG* > *your inability to define that wavelength for photons in QM. The wavelength value in its energy equation is a quantum number, with no relation to spatial extent.* *The e**quation is E = hc/λ, hc is just a constant, the E stands for energy and the **λ stands for wave LENGTH. That sure seems to me like a relationship between energy and spatial extent! * *The LT shows that photons are point particles, and as such, negates your claim that they have physical waves which can be "stretched" by the expansion of space. I don't know where the lost energy goes, implied by the redshift. At present I am just trying to show that your model of physical reality makes no sense. AG* * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* qss -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9bcc7cb5-f829-463f-98e6-c1bffaa5e70dn%40googlegroups.com.
