On Saturday, August 2, 2025 at 1:23:36 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

On Sat, Aug 2, 2025 at 2:59 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:

*> Right now it appears that all galaxies other than the local group, are 
receding from us, and they are.  The exact same condition could have been 
operating in the very early universe due to relative spatial motion, 
placing Earth at the center of the universe. How to prove otherwise? *


*Proof? Mathematicians prove things, physicists and astronomers do not. 
Instead they give ideas various degrees of credence. So it all comes down 
to one thing, is Earth being the center of the universe an idea you're 
willing to die on? Very few people are.  *


Mathematicians, and physicists, have proven many things about, for example, 
Hilbert spaces. In any event, if the universe ceased expanding, the 
indication from distant galaxies wouldn't reach us for billions of years. 
How then can we know these galaxies are receding rapidly NOW from their red 
shifts? AG 


*Maybe Bishop Ussher was right and God created the universe on October 23, 
4004 BC, and at the same time He created dinosaur bones and made them look 
like they were millions of years old to test our faith. Or maybe the 
universe only came into being 10 minutes ago and all our memories older 
than that are false memories God created to, you guessed it, test our 
faith. But scientists don't give either of those theories much credence, 
and neither do I, however they are no crazier than the Earth being at the 
center of the universe. *
* John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropoli 
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>s*
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