I'm  mostly a lurker but agree with the below.  The big change I see as a 
possibility and I have to admit I thought they missed the boat to begin with 
but it's toyotas approach to hydrogen hybrid .  The unit creates its own 
hydrogen as its needed so the only thing  you are filling up with is distilled 
water.As a hybrid rav4 owner and daily driver I think this will solve 
everything if they can pull it off.NickSent from my Bell Samsung device over 
Canada's largest network.
-------- Original message --------From: Michael Ross via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
Date: 2023-10-30  10:28 a.m.  (GMT-05:00) To: Cor van de Water 
<cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> Cc: Michael Ross <michael.e.r...@gmail.com>, 
Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 
'Facts' about EV's debunked The "moving to Canada" comment was just a crack to 
get a rise from someone.A light troll.Me: Boy Scout doing conservation work at 
age 12. Always leave any place yougo cleaner than when you arrived. Never 
litter. Clean up roadsides. Solaron home. Worked testing solar thermal 
collectors for certification.Custom testing of same. Bought and beta tested an 
Organic Transit Elf.Tried to start a lab for evaluating lithium ion cells. 
Electric mower.Electric Pressure washer. Support green politics. Donate to 
green causes.Install efficient appliances when possible. Recycle what can be 
recycled.Etc.I want a clean, cool earth. I just don't think we will succeed. 
But,* if weare unrealistic about this effort, then that is just another weight 
on thewrong side of the scale. *I don't think current lithium battery tech 
supports widespread use of EVswithout decades of infrastructure construction. 
Mines are the first step.We need to stop putting solar where the sun isn't and 
turbines that don'twork where the energy resource is lacking. So if we try to 
collect solarwhere the sun actually shines, the grid that supports the effort 
is manytimes what we already have. We are not taking steps to solve so 
manycomponents of our problem.It is a human problem at the heart of it. We 
don't react well to thingsthat don't smack us in the face, and plenty of very 
motivated people withthe capital to do something don't think it matters, or 
they are moreinterested in trying to monetize the chaos (like believing we can 
movetowards the poles). We have not evolved the mentation, and cognitive 
biasesthat would aim towards collectively solving this dire situation.On Sun, 
Oct 29, 2023 at 11:22 PM Cor van de Water <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com>wrote:> 
Michael E Ross wrote:> > Yeah, unlimited is hyperbolic, but> > there is no 
limit in my lifetime.>> I do not know if you have kids or nieces and nephews, 
heck even friends> with kids. Is that what you tell them if they want to know 
if the earth> will still be liveable in *their* lifetime?> I can't look my kids 
in the eye without considering what I did to try and> make their life and their 
future kids' still worth living.> I am afraid that "not in my lifetime" is one 
of the reasons we are in this> mess in the first place...> Cor.>-- Michael E. 
Ross(919) 585-6737 Land(919) 901-2805 Cell and Text(919) 576-0824 
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