On 20 Sep 2023 at 13:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> In my opinion, EVs, and cars in general, have way too many features. 

Opionion here also, but I agree 100%.

While our Zoe was being repaired from a rear-end accident, I rented a Dacia 
Spring, Europe's cheapest EV (around 22k Euro before subsidies).  It was a 
bit underpowered and noisy, not very comfortable, and had about half the 
range, but in some ways I liked it better than the Zoe. One of the reasons 
was its relative lack of pointless gimmicks.  

It had no beeps, boops, and musical chords; a real physical key to unlock 
and start it; no annoying automatic locking; and glory be, a real mechanical 
handbrake lever between the front seats - I despise the now ubiquitous 
electric-servo parking brakes.

> All I really want is the necessary gages on the dash, radio, clock,
> and HVAC. The rest can be done on the phone. 

Here, I'm not so much in agreement.  I don't want my entire life, or even my 
driving, anchored to a mobile phone, especially with the dismal privacy 
values that go with phones.  

Give me knobs and/or levers to control the HVAC, headlights, wipers, cruise, 
the usual.  Put as much as possible on the steering wheel or column to 
minimize the time I have to look away from the road.  Touch screens, be they 
part of the car or on a mobile phone, are way too distracting.  A lot can 
happen in the longer time it sometimes takes to use a touch screen in a car.

> Don't need entertainment systems and all the other "useful"
> features. 

Mixed views here.  I kind of like being able to play audio from a USB stick, 
and there are a couple of radio stations around here that I kind of like. 

Don't need or want a built-in satnav though.  I have Garmin for that, and it 
doesn't share my data.

> Ok, I'll include window and door lock controls and other obvious and
> dedicated systems.  

Again, I much prefer real mechanical switches - or at least simulations of 
them - for these.

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