Clearly we are in a period of transition. Like many here I charge at home
but also at work.

The worm appears to have turned and EVs as a major part of the
transportation system seem to be inevitable.

Tesla has their network. Some automakers have decided to adapt to that.
Others are planning a separate network. There are the current private
networks and it's not yet clear how the money from the Inflation Reduction
Act will be used for charging stations. But the stations are coming. Isn't
this exactly what those on this list have long been hoping for?

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I think (as with any open niche in any
ecosystem) the availability will eventually expand to meet the need.

Obviously it's hard to say how quickly it will happen. Thus, the angst out
there (and to a lesser extent in here) is understandable. But I think it
will work itself out.


Peter Flipsen Jr
Carlton, OR


On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 4:35 PM Rod Hower via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

>  My 2014 Volt only has 46 miles of range.  I drive 21 miles to work and
> charge there at Chargepoint for 10 cents per kWhr.  I have 240Vac at home
> and charge there as well.  98% of my travel is electric.  I take some work
> trips that are less than 500 miles and then use gas.  I guess it's more of
> a problem for people that live in an apartment without access to a 120Vac
> plug, but that also hasn't been a problem either unless you live in a huge
> complex without access.
>     On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 05:42:51 PM EDT, paul dove via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
>   That's great except for traveling and apartment dwellers. I only use the
> supercharger when on the interstates.
> My non-Tesla EV  I only use in the city and charge at home.
>     On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 04:06:05 PM CDT, Lee Hart via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
>  EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote:
> > One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact
> that they
> > were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since
> they needed
> > someone to empty them of the change.
>
> It's depressing to see how the future is developing. Like the Grateful
> Dead sang, "What a long strange trip it's been".
>
> The impression I get is that "everyone" thinks public charging must
> follow the gas station model. All chargers must be "fast" and cost $5 or
> more to use. These expensive charging stations are frequently vandalized
> and broken.
>
> Everyone drives 100-200 miles every day, and no one can charge at home
> without spending thousands of dollars on a home charging station. So we
> *must* have vast network of public charging stations to match the
> existing network of gas stations.
>
> That's not the only solution, you know. Where I live, there are hundreds
> of free public AC outlets. They've been there for decades, for plugging
> in your ICE's block heaters in the winter. They don't get vandalized,
> except by an occasional errant snowplow. Every EV I've seen already has
> a built-in charger; all it needs is any normal AC outlet. I simply
> charge at home, or plugged in at work so by quitting time, my EV was
> fully charged.
>
> There are parking meters that accept real coins, and meter readers that
> collect the coins (and put the tickets on your car if it's over-parked).
> I have yet to see one that takes credit cards.
>
> There are no gated communities, and people generally don't lock their
> cars or their doors. Theft and vandalism are not enough of a problem to
> worry about.
>
> Lee
>
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