On 9 Jul 2022 at 1:15, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > The tesla prices have gone up by about 20% since last year.
Yeah, for all their earlier talk about how they wanted to save the world with EVs, these days Tesla act like traditional corporate capitalists - if you're leading the market, it means that your price is too low. Time to raise it. > VW is planning a whole bunch of EV models. If they can really get them > on the market quickly, the effect will be impressive. VW currently doesn't have a single EV model that can surpass the Tesla 3 for EU sales. However, if you add up 2021 EU sales for all the BEV models for both brands, and include VW's Skoda and Seat divisions, you get: VW - 230,276 Tesla - 167,549 This year, the Y is starting to catch on better for Tesla there. The X and S are still not selling in significant numbers, and I doubt that that will change. Tesla doesn't have the range of buyer-needs appeal that Volkswagen has. Tesla 3 and Y are large cars by EU standards (D-segment). They're roughly analagous to the VW ID5 and ID4 respectively. Tesla offers nothing comparable to VW's ID3 or E-Up. The Tesla 3 is almost a foot and a half longer than an ID3, and nearly FOUR FEET longer than an E- Up. Have you ever seen the size of European parking spaces and garages? :-) VW is working on an ID1 to replace the E-Up, and an ID2 which is Polo size. I doubt very much that we'll ever see those in the US. What we might see here is the VW ID8. It's about the same size as the Tesla X, and has roughly the same range, but (my estimate) will probably be priced about 25% lower. So by - again guessing - 2024 VW will have a full range of EVs on offer in Europe. It will be interesting to see how Tesla responds. I think the big news here is that Volkswagen is genuinely serious about EVs, at least in Europe. Even 5 years ago, I would not have predicted that. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Work-arounds to Linux systemd problems are so widely in use that when systemd developers try to fix the problems, they break Linux systems by breaking the work-arounds. Some systemd bugs are being used as features by enough distros and users that fixing bugs can cause widespread breakage. Systemd can't be fixed. -- Andy Prough = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/sub/index.html CONFIG: http://lists.evdl.org/options.cgi/ev-evdl.org ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
