On 13 Jun 2022 at 15:15, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > The whole world seems to have lost it's mind in the last few years, > so why not make everything insane, including torpedoing possible > solutions to pollution, climate effects, oil import dependence and common > sense?
Maybe not the entire world yet, and least not on absolutely everything. I hate to always sound so Eurocentric here, but most EU countries have saner vehicle tax policies. The one I'm most familiar with is France's. The situation is quite different from here. You register your vehicle when you buy it and then it's done - no yearly renewal. There's no yearly tax on most private vehicles, either (I think there used to be), but there are rather high fuel taxes. Obviously EVs don't pay fuel taxes. That's a feature, not a bug, unlike in some US states as mentioned by Mr Sharkey. France's base registration fee for a new car is based on the car's "fiscal power," which is computed from rated engine power in kw and CO2 emissions in grams per km. Base registration fees for EVs are zero regardless of drive system power. In addition to the registration fee, purchasers of high CO2 emitters pay a purchase surtax that ranges from 50 euros (128 g/km CO2 WLTP) to 40,000 (!) euros (>= 224 g/km CO2 WLTP). There's a further purchase surtax on vehicles weighing over 1800kg (roughly 4000lb). In case you don't think that legislation makes a difference, let's compare a couple of similar-size fairly large (by EU standards) SUVs - a US Ford Edge and an EU Renault Espace. Ford Edge: weight = 1875kg, power = 184kw, CO2 = 230 g/km Renault Espace: weight 1680kg, power = 166kw, CO2 = 187 g/km The Renault is 10% lighter and emits 19% less CO2. Now how would these compare in costs to register? That's where it gets interesting. (I don't think you can buy a Ford Edge in France, but let's run the numbers anyway, just for fun.) Ford Edge (MSRP $42,745 == ~39,580 euros without duty or freight) fiscal power = 20 - tax rate 41 euro/FP => registration base 820 euros CO2 surcharge 40,000 euros Weight surcharge 750 euros Total registration ~41,570 euros Total cost to acquire 81,150 euros Renault Espace (MSRP: 47,500 euros) fiscal power = 14 - rate 41 eur/FP => registration base 574 euros CO2 surcharge ~11,500 euros Weight surcharge = 0 Total registration ~12,074 euros Total cost to acquire 59,574 euros Now suppose you decide that you can manage with a slightly smaller SUV, so you buy a Volkswagen ID4 EV instead. Volkswagen ID4 (MSRP 39,370 euros) Fiscal power = n/a registration base 0 euros CO2 surcharge = 0 euros Weight surcharge (2050kg) = 2,500 euros Total registration 2,500 euros Total cost to acquire 41,870 euros Summing up the relative costs to buy these 3 SUVs in France (if the Ford were available there): Ford Edge 81,150 euros Renault Espace 59,574 euros VW ID4 EV 41,870 euros David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Just How Bad is Your Job, #13: Philosophy of Life. Two statements follow. Check the one that more closely describes your current outlook. [ ] Misery loves company. [ ] The company loves misery. -- Matt Groening, "Work is Hell" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/sub/index.html CONFIG: http://lists.evdl.org/options.cgi/ev-evdl.org ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
