I suppose this explains a lot about why Tesla (and Straubel) are leaning hard towards LiFePO. Nickel and manganese, etc., are a problem? Don't use them.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 10:45 AM Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > Agreed. The battery is heavy enough itself and, coupled with an > oversized vehicle, the kWh demands are crazy. My biggest concern is the > environmental consequences of mining all the raw materials. I hope the > technology evolves to use easy to obtain materials. > > Speaking of e-trikes, here's one to watch > https://avvenire.ca/products/spiritus/ > They have only one prototype so far but they do have production > experience... > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" <info.zwhe...@gmail.com> > Sent: 12-Mar-22 16:48:03 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ukraine war and nickel > > >Maybe we should try to get more efficient with our vehicles, whether gas > or > >electric. The new truck sizes are obscene. The eHummers are just a side > >show, but they are 9,000 lbs with 200 kWh batteries. An ebike uses .5 kWh > >batteries. We can build 400 ebikes or one eHummer. Both to move a person > >around. > > > >But not everybody can or wants to ride an ebike. So we can make enclosed > >ebike-type-vehicles that get by with 5-10 kWh batteries. And they can > >charge from a 120 VAC outlet. That's orders of magnitude savings on > >resources, operation, and infrastructure. > > > >But they aren't safe with fast/heavy vehicles. So we expand protected and > >connected bike paths to allow these new vehicles along local commuting > >routes. We have solutions in hand, but they don't include an eHummer in > >every driveway. And with increased urgency every day, we really need to > be > >smart about Building Back Better. If we leave it to Big Auto, they have a > >well-proven track record of being increasingly wasteful with our world's > >resources. > > > >Gary Krysztopik > > > >On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:37 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > >wrote: > > > >> "The rollout of solar panels and wind turbines is unlikely to be > hampered > >> by > >> supply problems caused by the war in Ukraine, but the production of > >> electric > >> cars could take a hit ..." > >> > >> > https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/solar-and-wind-rollout-doesnt-depend- > >> russian-exports-e-cars-do-german-industry > >> < > https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/solar-and-wind-rollout-doesnt-depend-russian-exports-e-cars-do-german-industry > > > >> > >> or https://v.gd/wQ0EYL > >> > >> Maybe this will boost LFP's fortunes. Or maybe it will lead to > developing > >> more politically stable nickel sources. Or maybe certain automakers > will > >> just use it as an excuse to carry on with ICEVs - which burn Russian > oil. > >> > >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > >> > >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > >> > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> In America, anybody can be president. That's one of the risks > >> you take. > >> > >> -- Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220312/0b44db79/attachment.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > >No other addresses in TO and CC fields > >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > >LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220313/7f92a9ba/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
