Agreed. The battery is heavy enough itself and, coupled with an oversized vehicle, the kWh demands are crazy. My biggest concern is the environmental consequences of mining all the raw materials. I hope the technology evolves to use easy to obtain materials.

Speaking of e-trikes, here's one to watch
https://avvenire.ca/products/spiritus/
They have only one prototype so far but they do have production experience...

Peri

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From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" <info.zwhe...@gmail.com>
Sent: 12-Mar-22 16:48:03
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ukraine war and nickel

Maybe we should try to get more efficient with our vehicles, whether gas or
electric.  The new truck sizes are obscene.  The eHummers are just a side
show, but they are 9,000 lbs with 200 kWh batteries.  An ebike uses .5 kWh
batteries.  We can build 400 ebikes or one eHummer.  Both to move a person
around.

But not everybody can or wants to ride an ebike.  So we can make enclosed
ebike-type-vehicles that get by with 5-10 kWh batteries.  And they can
charge from a 120 VAC outlet.  That's orders of magnitude savings on
resources, operation, and infrastructure.

But they aren't safe with fast/heavy vehicles.  So we expand protected and
connected bike paths to allow these new vehicles along local commuting
routes.  We have solutions in hand, but they don't include an eHummer in
every driveway.  And with increased urgency every day, we really need to be
smart about Building Back Better.  If we leave it to Big Auto, they have a
well-proven track record of being increasingly wasteful with our world's
resources.

Gary Krysztopik

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:37 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

 "The rollout of solar panels and wind turbines is unlikely to be hampered
 by
 supply problems caused by the war in Ukraine, but the production of
 electric
 cars could take a hit ..."

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/solar-and-wind-rollout-doesnt-depend-
 russian-exports-e-cars-do-german-industry
 
<https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/solar-and-wind-rollout-doesnt-depend-russian-exports-e-cars-do-german-industry>

 or https://v.gd/wQ0EYL

 Maybe this will boost LFP's fortunes.  Or maybe it will lead to developing
 more politically stable nickel sources.  Or maybe certain automakers will
 just use it as an excuse to carry on with ICEVs - which burn Russian oil.

 David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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