I guess you missed the first sentence.. .  compared to a BEV?

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August 17, 2021 6:50 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Your question is a good one, though unclear.
> 
> *Which* people? Are you asking about the advantage to a consumer? A 
> manufacturer? A policy maker?
> 
> Your “tons of disadvantages” can also be applied to BEVs or. At simply be not 
> accurate.
> 
> Higher cost to build? Well, yeah. But don’t BEVs cost more to build, too, 
> than an ICE? Go back a
> few years ago, when battery costs were so much higher, even more so. The look 
> at the cost
> differentials when the first modern ones came out, and it was early in the 
> development cycle.
> Remember the first Priuses? It took years for the first profit, and then 
> became California’s
> top-selling car. Long term is the cost higher? And if it is, what’s the 
> benefit (and advantages)?
> 
> Higher cost to operate. For the consumer? Really? No fuel cost (for three 
> years, at least). I
> understand that maybe it’s more complicated than that, but just don’t put a 
> zero on the cost of
> charging. Maintenance cost? Maybe higher, I don’t know.
> 
> Lower efficiency. Lower efficiency of what, and to whom? 
> 
> No existing infrastructure. Again, this all depends. If you have access to a 
> station and 5 minutes
> to fill every 300 miles or so, that’s plenty . The problem is that right NOW, 
> everyone doesn’t have
> that. But that’s the same on the BEV side, though depending on the use, *can* 
> be less of an issue
> because of home charging. I say “can” because we are needing to subsidize 
> non-residential charging
> to the tune of billions, so apparently it’s essential (or we are wasting 
> money). Perhaps that is
> the case because, unless most of us here that think that residential charging 
> could be sufficient
> for most, the California Energy Commission thinks differently. Their surveys 
> have caused them to
> conclude that the biggest barrier for people buying BEVs is “lack of 
> infrastructure.” On both the
> BEV and FCEV side that’s just a matter of time getting the infrastructure in. 
> But guess what? At
> scale, infrastructure for FCEVs will be cheaper than BEVs, at least according 
> to a McKinsey study,
> and I believe the U.S. Dept. of Energy. Hence their “H2 at Scale” initiative. 
> I’ve seen some work
> that indicates that even today, it’s cheaper.
> 
> I won’t weigh in with my list of advantages of FCEVs, but will enjoy seeing 
> the lists of others in
> answer to your question.
> 
> - Mark
> 
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV?
>> 
>> There are tons of disadvantages, higher cost to build, higher cost to 
>> operate, lower efficiency, no
>> existing infrastructure, etc.; so what is the big advantage that would make 
>> them worth while?
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