Hi Lee and All, While I agree on most cells, experience in the Volt/LG  
modules says it can be viable if kept within spec and for 2.5 yrs mine have 
stayed within $.01vdc cell to cell says it's alright financially.First they 
cost similar to lead but as lighter you need 30% less Kwh.Next the BMSs 
available are not reliable and can double costs so adding them likely would 
increase danger, not cut it.I've heard of 100s of BMS failures killing modules, 
packs but no Volt Module failures without them.  None of my 8? customers have 
reported problems. Just by not going over 4.12/vpc and not under 3.2vpc plus a 
Batt Bridge to alert on any bad connection or imbalance along with every 3 
months checking for balance you can have lithium lightweight, performance at 
the cost of lead and likely much more life.Just for checking voltages and if 
needed which I've never had to do, balance manually.And there are 100s  if not 
1,000s of people doing this  now judging by how hard it is to get Volt packs in 
Florida now as I have customers waiting.I just hope my NIB Bolt 2020  US made 
modules in my S-10 conversion upgrade work as well. At brand new they are 
sitting within .02/vdc between all cells. I'll report when I get 6 months in on 
them or iif they get out of balance.Jerry Dycus

    On Saturday, March 6, 2021, 10:28:11 AM PST, Lee Hart via EV 
<[email protected]> wrote:  
 
 Alan Arrison wrote:
>> You've heard it before, but here it is again.
>>
>> Proceed without a BMS at your own peril.
>>
>> Best case, you ruin some expensive cells.
>>
>> Worst case, you burn your house down.

I agree completely. Running lithiums without a BMS is like running your 
house wiring without circuit breakers or fuses. When things work, 
everything is fine. Look at all the money you saved!

But if/when something goes wrong, your house burns down.

Consider: You are going to use your lithiums until they die. And *when* 
they die, one of their failure modes is *fire*.

It's nice if a BMS can prolong battery life, or give you lots of fancy 
displays and blinkin-lights. But its most fundamental job is to prevent 
a fire.

Lee Hart

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