I will partly agree. I doubt that it will be free, nothing ever is, even if free would still make sense.
Yes, I agree that we will need a lot more renewables to make up for the renewables we lose. You say double - so let’s assume that. I don’t know if that’s correct. But to suggest that it’s okay, I have to disagree. It’s really unnecessary to waste those resources. We just need the correct mix of technologies that can provide short-term local storage AND grid-scale, long term storage. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 20, 2020, at 8:15 AM, Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> wrote: > > Which is why Charging of EV batteries (or home ones to) will eventually be > FREE in exchange for the benefit to th e grid when needed. Eventually we > will get to having DOUBLE (or more) the solar and wind capacity than we > "need" in order to have enough to bank up when they are not available. That > may seem wasteful, but it is only a factor of 2 increase in investment which > is small considering the cost of solar and wind have come down a factor of > Ten just in the last decades. And will continue to fall. > > But until the utilities put the buy-back into their tariffs to the end > consumer, a home battery is not of much value. > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via EV > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:15 AM > To: Peri Hartman <[email protected]>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > <[email protected]> > Cc: Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G > > Many places already need it. Both Germany and California (Texas?) curtail > large amounts of renewable generation. > > Battery storage works well for short term, small scale storage. It doesn’t > work well for grid scale, seasonal storage. > > Here’s one chart (from the EU) that gives a view of appropriate technologies > given the application. > > https://images.app.goo.gl/9rkqbwvBe6fw9cvA6 > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On May 20, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> At some point, we're going to need lots of grid storage. Right now, the >> mix of wind and solar is relatively low. But as that increases, we'll need >> storage capacity to span non generative periods. During transition, we can >> still rely on natural gas power plants and others. Eventually, we'll >> simply need storage, and lots of it. There are various forms of storage, >> such as hydro, flywheel, hydrogen, or battery. >> >> Having distributed battery storage sounds like a good part of the mix, to >> me. Whether they're individually owned or provided by the energy company, >> we'll see. Probably a bunch of options will appear. And we'll see a bunch >> of different scales of storage: homeowner, business complex, substation, >> energy plant. >> >> Peri >> >> << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? >> https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "paul dove via EV" <[email protected]> >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "paul dove" <[email protected]> >> Sent: 20-May-20 5:03:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G >> >>> I would consider it if I had a million mile battery also if Tesla owned >>> the battery so that when the range dropped I get it replaced free. >>> >>> You can save a lot of money with DIY or just owning your own power >>> generation maybe in the long run but lots of people will pay more gladly >>> if someone else is in charge of keeping it operational. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On May 19, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Alan Arrison via EV <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> People don't care about feeding the grid, they want to be able to use >>>> their big battery to run their house when the grid goes down. Oops, this >>>> would kill sales of their powerwall. >>>> >>>>> On 5/19/2020 9:28 PM, evln via EV wrote: >>>>> Here what I was going to post, read: >>>>> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200520/e5650ea8/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
